1 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:19,560 [Music] 2 00:00:28,630 --> 00:00:25,050 you're in the para cast the gold 3 00:00:33,709 --> 00:00:28,640 standard of paranormal radio and now 4 00:00:35,990 --> 00:00:33,719 here's gene Steinberg our guest coughs 5 00:00:38,060 --> 00:00:36,000 Jay Randall Murphy and some people have 6 00:00:40,580 --> 00:00:38,070 asked me whether I'm making a permanent 7 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:40,590 decision with regard to the co-host and 8 00:00:44,660 --> 00:00:42,450 I will say that Randall's gonna be a big 9 00:00:46,010 --> 00:00:44,670 part of what we do in the future but 10 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:46,020 right now we're not announcing anything 11 00:00:51,979 --> 00:00:49,050 so we'll see how we decide that in a way 12 00:00:54,139 --> 00:00:51,989 he gets great reaction to last week's 13 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:54,149 episode and this week we've got 14 00:01:01,279 --> 00:00:57,090 something interesting and it has a lot 15 00:01:03,650 --> 00:01:01,289 of nuances to it so we have Kerry Trent 16 00:01:06,770 --> 00:01:03,660 Hagar he's co-author with Johnny Dale 17 00:01:09,500 --> 00:01:06,780 Cochrane is second no relationship to 18 00:01:15,370 --> 00:01:09,510 that Johnny Cochran from California late 19 00:01:18,530 --> 00:01:15,380 lawyer is called traveller published by 20 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:18,540 flying disk press our old friend Philip 21 00:01:23,960 --> 00:01:21,210 mantel and it's an interesting story 22 00:01:24,469 --> 00:01:23,970 which I guess is fiction is that right 23 00:01:29,499 --> 00:01:24,479 Kerry 24 00:01:33,740 --> 00:01:29,509 well traveller is historical fiction the 25 00:01:36,499 --> 00:01:33,750 1897 sections are based as closely as I 26 00:01:38,810 --> 00:01:36,509 could get them on the historical 27 00:01:43,429 --> 00:01:38,820 happenings of what happened April 17 28 00:01:46,609 --> 00:01:43,439 1897 the 1997 sections are totally 29 00:01:49,639 --> 00:01:46,619 fictional that were made up by John and 30 00:01:52,460 --> 00:01:49,649 myself is this kind of like a time jump 31 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:52,470 sort of story then yes it goes back and 32 00:01:58,609 --> 00:01:54,810 forth for a hundred years what happened 33 00:02:02,420 --> 00:01:58,619 was this girl reporter in Gainesville 34 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:02,430 Texas of 1997 finds the ancient 35 00:02:08,540 --> 00:02:05,250 newspaper article the original actual 36 00:02:12,949 --> 00:02:08,550 newspaper article and her editor sends 37 00:02:13,910 --> 00:02:12,959 her over to Aurora to find out what the 38 00:02:16,550 --> 00:02:13,920 story 39 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:16,560 find out where this alien is buried and 40 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:19,410 then we do a lot of flashbacks in the 41 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:22,530 novel to 1897 when the event actually 42 00:02:27,770 --> 00:02:25,410 happened so you're proceeding under the 43 00:02:32,449 --> 00:02:27,780 assumption here that would ever happen 44 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:32,459 in 1897 did involve an extraterrestrial 45 00:02:36,110 --> 00:02:34,890 oh absolutely I believe that 46 00:02:38,780 --> 00:02:36,120 wholeheartedly 47 00:02:42,830 --> 00:02:38,790 I believe that early in the morning on 48 00:02:45,290 --> 00:02:42,840 April 17 1897 a single alien vessel 49 00:02:48,110 --> 00:02:45,300 crashed into the water tower and Aurora 50 00:02:50,090 --> 00:02:48,120 Texas and died I believe that they 51 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:50,100 buried him in the local cemetery because 52 00:02:55,070 --> 00:02:52,890 the good town spoke of the time knew 53 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:55,080 that was the only thing the only right 54 00:03:00,530 --> 00:02:57,450 thing they could do and I believe that 55 00:03:03,259 --> 00:03:00,540 the remainder of his craft was dumped 56 00:03:06,530 --> 00:03:03,269 down a well a few years later and then 57 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:06,540 it was the well was cleaned out in 1957 58 00:03:11,479 --> 00:03:09,090 but yes I believe it wholeheartedly that 59 00:03:13,759 --> 00:03:11,489 the incident happened well you know it's 60 00:03:15,979 --> 00:03:13,769 been a very controversial episode and 61 00:03:19,069 --> 00:03:15,989 there's a general perception here that 62 00:03:22,009 --> 00:03:19,079 it may not have happened yes that's true 63 00:03:26,060 --> 00:03:22,019 and I spoke to I was lucky enough to 64 00:03:29,449 --> 00:03:26,070 speak to Jim Marrs who I guess had done 65 00:03:32,300 --> 00:03:29,459 more research on the Aurora incident 66 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:32,310 than any man alive before he died couple 67 00:03:37,310 --> 00:03:34,530 years ago I spoke to him told him of the 68 00:03:39,410 --> 00:03:37,320 novel I was writing and how it involved 69 00:03:42,050 --> 00:03:39,420 Aurora how part of it was fictional but 70 00:03:45,170 --> 00:03:42,060 part of it a large part of it was based 71 00:03:47,300 --> 00:03:45,180 on the historical fact and he was so 72 00:03:49,220 --> 00:03:47,310 glad that somebody was doing something 73 00:03:52,099 --> 00:03:49,230 to bring attention to the Aurora 74 00:03:54,530 --> 00:03:52,109 incident because he wholeheartedly to 75 00:03:57,229 --> 00:03:54,540 believed that it happened yeah he's got 76 00:03:59,599 --> 00:03:57,239 a pretty good documentary I think on 77 00:04:00,979 --> 00:03:59,609 YouTube about it where he goes there and 78 00:04:04,430 --> 00:04:00,989 you can see him wandering around he's 79 00:04:06,940 --> 00:04:04,440 there's even pictures of the old stone 80 00:04:10,220 --> 00:04:06,950 that they found over the alleged 81 00:04:12,050 --> 00:04:10,230 gravesite he'd done documentaries on it 82 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:12,060 he'd done interviews he done 83 00:04:18,020 --> 00:04:14,370 presentations at some of the MUFON event 84 00:04:21,409 --> 00:04:18,030 on Aurora and so yeah he was pretty well 85 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:21,419 pretty well researched in it oh yes oh 86 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:23,250 so you're not Hubble then it's kind of a 87 00:04:27,710 --> 00:04:26,130 doc you fiction type of thing so that 88 00:04:30,410 --> 00:04:27,720 it's got some entertainment value 89 00:04:32,770 --> 00:04:30,420 as well as some some sort of mystery 90 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:32,780 that has some natural history in it 91 00:04:38,570 --> 00:04:35,570 absolutely you know it's funny because 92 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:38,580 the the novel was never really meant to 93 00:04:44,180 --> 00:04:40,530 be a novel the novel was written as a 94 00:04:45,980 --> 00:04:44,190 screenplay my co-author and I we at the 95 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:45,990 time which we'll get to in a few minutes 96 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:48,890 we had some time on our hands so we were 97 00:04:56,270 --> 00:04:53,370 telling our stories from our past and I 98 00:05:00,320 --> 00:04:56,280 was documenting those and then he told 99 00:05:02,870 --> 00:05:00,330 me of the Aurora incident so over a 100 00:05:05,060 --> 00:05:02,880 course of a few months we wrote the 101 00:05:08,060 --> 00:05:05,070 screenplay for traveller we wrote a 102 00:05:10,070 --> 00:05:08,070 movie for traveller and everybody that 103 00:05:12,590 --> 00:05:10,080 read it loved it so much so they said 104 00:05:15,620 --> 00:05:12,600 you got to expand this into a novel so I 105 00:05:18,710 --> 00:05:15,630 I spent two years after that working on 106 00:05:23,170 --> 00:05:18,720 it developing the characters and making 107 00:05:26,810 --> 00:05:23,180 a full-fledged novel and then luckily 108 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:26,820 thankfully philip mantofa flying disc 109 00:05:33,110 --> 00:05:30,210 press was recommended to me to send it 110 00:05:36,020 --> 00:05:33,120 to and when I said I spent in the 111 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:36,030 introduction and he said carries that if 112 00:05:39,620 --> 00:05:38,010 the if the rest of the novel reads as 113 00:05:42,050 --> 00:05:39,630 good as your introduction I would love 114 00:05:43,790 --> 00:05:42,060 to publish your book and so that's how 115 00:05:46,670 --> 00:05:43,800 our traveller got published and that 116 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:46,680 that's why it's only Amazon today well 117 00:05:50,659 --> 00:05:48,330 of course we know that Philip mantel is 118 00:05:54,100 --> 00:05:50,669 one of the good guys in British UFO 119 00:05:57,770 --> 00:05:54,110 research now in putting together your 120 00:06:01,010 --> 00:05:57,780 version of what happened in Aurora in 121 00:06:04,100 --> 00:06:01,020 1897 then did you rely on any other 122 00:06:08,510 --> 00:06:04,110 sources other than Jim Marrs to kind of 123 00:06:11,090 --> 00:06:08,520 put this all together well I I watched 124 00:06:13,280 --> 00:06:11,100 everything that had ever been done on 125 00:06:15,650 --> 00:06:13,290 Aurora I read everything I could 126 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:15,660 possibly read of course I read the 127 00:06:21,050 --> 00:06:18,090 original newspaper articles published in 128 00:06:25,010 --> 00:06:21,060 the Dallas and the Fort Worth papers and 129 00:06:28,310 --> 00:06:25,020 then I I tried to imagine I took all the 130 00:06:31,909 --> 00:06:28,320 facts and then I tried to imagine how 131 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:31,919 the good people of Aurora Texas just a 132 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:34,650 couple decades after the Civil War would 133 00:06:41,450 --> 00:06:38,849 react to an extraterrestrial falling out 134 00:06:43,070 --> 00:06:41,460 of the sky when at that 135 00:06:46,460 --> 00:06:43,080 and the fastest mode of transportation 136 00:06:48,350 --> 00:06:46,470 was a train that collect along 40 miles 137 00:06:52,280 --> 00:06:48,360 an hour and the only thing that apply 138 00:06:54,350 --> 00:06:52,290 was birth I tried to envision how they 139 00:06:57,230 --> 00:06:54,360 would cope with it how they would react 140 00:06:59,180 --> 00:06:57,240 to it and how they would deal with such 141 00:07:03,710 --> 00:06:59,190 an event and that's the way I wrote it 142 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:03,720 in the Nam did you know that they made a 143 00:07:13,310 --> 00:07:09,770 movie and of the I believe back in 1986 144 00:07:14,900 --> 00:07:13,320 yes horrible what's the first 10 minutes 145 00:07:18,350 --> 00:07:14,910 and turned it off it was a Joe 146 00:07:20,750 --> 00:07:18,360 and in his horror it's horrible 147 00:07:22,250 --> 00:07:20,760 absolutely terrible I wish I watched 10 148 00:07:25,490 --> 00:07:22,260 minutes and turned it off I said that 149 00:07:28,310 --> 00:07:25,500 has nothing to be nothing to do with the 150 00:07:29,450 --> 00:07:28,320 Aurora or the actual roar crash it was 151 00:07:31,820 --> 00:07:29,460 just it was a joke 152 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:31,830 so no as far as I'm concerned I've never 153 00:07:37,580 --> 00:07:35,970 done anything wrong yeah I think at one 154 00:07:40,540 --> 00:07:37,590 point they've got the little alien guy 155 00:07:44,510 --> 00:07:40,550 coming out and he he gets into a 156 00:07:48,620 --> 00:07:44,520 checkers game and and some moonshine was 157 00:07:51,170 --> 00:07:48,630 one of the characters and and at the end 158 00:07:53,420 --> 00:07:51,180 he gets shot and that's why he crashes 159 00:07:57,410 --> 00:07:53,430 his ship because somebody just was a 160 00:08:01,100 --> 00:07:57,420 loose trigger finger shoots the alien so 161 00:08:03,230 --> 00:08:01,110 you know was now from your research did 162 00:08:05,300 --> 00:08:03,240 anyone actually see the alien or was it 163 00:08:07,450 --> 00:08:05,310 simply just a crash and then they they 164 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:07,460 sort of had to do a clean up afterwards 165 00:08:13,490 --> 00:08:11,610 well the way I wrote story there was one 166 00:08:16,100 --> 00:08:13,500 witness there was an old cowboy they had 167 00:08:18,500 --> 00:08:16,110 wandered through the night and stepped 168 00:08:20,570 --> 00:08:18,510 out of the bar just as it crashed and a 169 00:08:22,850 --> 00:08:20,580 little boy in a field and there were 170 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:22,860 stories of a young man in a field but 171 00:08:29,450 --> 00:08:26,970 saw the vessel come roaring over Neath 172 00:08:32,210 --> 00:08:29,460 as he was outside working early in the 173 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:32,220 morning and heard the crash but his 174 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:33,930 father wouldn't let him go into town 175 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:35,490 because they had to finish their chores 176 00:08:41,210 --> 00:08:39,090 that was that's an old legend that was 177 00:08:43,460 --> 00:08:41,220 told at the time so I sort of 178 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:43,470 incorporated that into the story and 179 00:08:47,330 --> 00:08:45,570 actually the young boy turned out to be 180 00:08:52,130 --> 00:08:47,340 the great great grandfather of some of 181 00:08:54,930 --> 00:08:52,140 the boys in the 1997 section so I sort 182 00:08:59,010 --> 00:08:54,940 of weaned all that together but 183 00:09:00,450 --> 00:08:59,020 first actual witnesses I don't know and 184 00:09:05,420 --> 00:09:00,460 it they didn't mention any in the 185 00:09:09,510 --> 00:09:05,430 newspapers I I gave it a couple of those 186 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:09,520 so Sally say then that you took a few 187 00:09:16,470 --> 00:09:13,890 artistic liberties as it they say well 188 00:09:18,150 --> 00:09:16,480 yeah I wanted to make the story 189 00:09:20,730 --> 00:09:18,160 interesting I wanted to make it 190 00:09:25,020 --> 00:09:20,740 entertaining but yeah I want to make the 191 00:09:29,820 --> 00:09:25,030 movie out of this my fondest wish is for 192 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:29,830 somebody to read the novel and say wow 193 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:32,770 this would make a great film and and be 194 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:35,290 interested in helping me get that 195 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:36,930 accomplished somewhere down the road 196 00:09:41,490 --> 00:09:38,890 we've got more to come 197 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:41,500 the book is 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Trek reference because somebody 309 00:14:48,530 --> 00:14:45,899 in the forum's is complaining that I do 310 00:14:51,470 --> 00:14:48,540 too many Star Trek references I don't do 311 00:14:53,119 --> 00:14:51,480 that many but they more I think Star 312 00:14:58,639 --> 00:14:53,129 Trek's awesome I think we should do them 313 00:15:00,769 --> 00:14:58,649 all through the entire show I'll do my 314 00:15:03,019 --> 00:15:00,779 life you know the big question is Star 315 00:15:06,379 --> 00:15:03,029 Wars or Star Trek and I've always been 316 00:15:09,980 --> 00:15:06,389 Star Trek I love the store trick you 317 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:09,990 know always been my favorite 318 00:15:15,289 --> 00:15:13,290 how about UFOs in general now have you 319 00:15:17,630 --> 00:15:15,299 been into the much before you heard this 320 00:15:19,790 --> 00:15:17,640 story about the crash in Aurora 321 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:19,800 well see I witness one when I was a kid 322 00:15:24,500 --> 00:15:21,570 when I was nine years old and commerce 323 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:24,510 Georgia Landing which is a whole big 324 00:15:29,180 --> 00:15:26,850 section of the introduction that I write 325 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:29,190 about I think you should tell us about 326 00:15:35,270 --> 00:15:33,210 that well I will you are we still on or 327 00:15:37,490 --> 00:15:35,280 are we taking a break oh we're on oh 328 00:15:39,050 --> 00:15:37,500 we're on okay well you want to hear that 329 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:39,060 story then I'll start with that one if 330 00:15:45,860 --> 00:15:40,530 you buy let's do it 331 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:45,870 well my fascination my belief in UFOs 332 00:15:54,860 --> 00:15:52,250 began in 1974 my father worked for 333 00:15:58,010 --> 00:15:54,870 Westinghouse Electric it was always 334 00:16:01,120 --> 00:15:58,020 fascinated with the local cop and he had 335 00:16:04,730 --> 00:16:01,130 a realistic band scanner beside his the 336 00:16:08,210 --> 00:16:04,740 recliner and that thing ran night and 337 00:16:09,620 --> 00:16:08,220 day weather reports and the antics of 338 00:16:13,430 --> 00:16:09,630 the local police and the fire department 339 00:16:15,260 --> 00:16:13,440 and all the stuff later on he he 340 00:16:18,170 --> 00:16:15,270 actually worked part time for the police 341 00:16:21,890 --> 00:16:18,180 department for 19 years but anyway this 342 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:21,900 was like 1974 and there had been a 343 00:16:28,370 --> 00:16:25,650 reported documented witness landing of a 344 00:16:30,110 --> 00:16:28,380 UFO in Daniels Bell Georgia Daniel's 345 00:16:32,930 --> 00:16:30,120 well Georgia's 12 miles from where I 346 00:16:35,690 --> 00:16:32,940 grew up but within a month or two there 347 00:16:38,330 --> 00:16:35,700 there was chatter in Jackson County 348 00:16:41,510 --> 00:16:38,340 commerce which is where I which is where 349 00:16:44,260 --> 00:16:41,520 I live that low flying objects were 350 00:16:47,270 --> 00:16:44,270 appearing almost nightly one night 351 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:47,280 frantic police calls came into the 352 00:16:53,270 --> 00:16:50,130 police department that a flaming object 353 00:16:55,220 --> 00:16:53,280 had landed in the parking lot of Medical 354 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:55,230 Center clinic now the Medical Center 355 00:16:59,930 --> 00:16:57,410 Clinic they spoke there was the same 356 00:17:02,240 --> 00:16:59,940 hospital facility that my mother worked 357 00:17:06,290 --> 00:17:02,250 at she'd been a licensed practical nurse 358 00:17:08,300 --> 00:17:06,300 since 1955 and so I you know we all hear 359 00:17:11,180 --> 00:17:08,310 this I'm jumping up and down I'm begging 360 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:11,190 protect me see what happens so we jumped 361 00:17:16,579 --> 00:17:14,970 in her 1969 green on panel station wagon 362 00:17:18,590 --> 00:17:16,589 and went tearing off over there there's 363 00:17:22,010 --> 00:17:18,600 only a couple of miles so by the time we 364 00:17:24,860 --> 00:17:22,020 got there probably seven eight minutes 365 00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:24,870 to pass between the time that these 366 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:27,120 calls became into police headquarters 367 00:17:31,490 --> 00:17:29,010 and the time we got there we got there 368 00:17:34,430 --> 00:17:31,500 was a fire truck two police cars you 369 00:17:36,980 --> 00:17:34,440 there's a few other colors from locals 370 00:17:39,710 --> 00:17:36,990 that had heard the same evidently had 371 00:17:41,990 --> 00:17:39,720 heard the same broadcast but down in the 372 00:17:45,549 --> 00:17:42,000 lower corner of the parking lot on the 373 00:17:49,310 --> 00:17:45,559 asphalt was a huge thirty foot diameter 374 00:17:53,029 --> 00:17:49,320 smoking circle or something incredibly 375 00:17:56,659 --> 00:17:53,039 hot it literally melted the asphalt all 376 00:18:02,659 --> 00:17:56,669 around the outside that were drippings 377 00:18:05,270 --> 00:18:02,669 where silver like red drops melted into 378 00:18:06,919 --> 00:18:05,280 the asphalt I'll never forget that that 379 00:18:10,909 --> 00:18:06,929 was the most vivid memory of my 380 00:18:13,940 --> 00:18:10,919 childhood and a crew came in there to 381 00:18:16,909 --> 00:18:13,950 night layer in for the night and repaved 382 00:18:18,860 --> 00:18:16,919 the entire parking lot my mom came home 383 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:18,870 on Monday and said you'll never believe 384 00:18:22,909 --> 00:18:20,610 what they did they went in there during 385 00:18:25,909 --> 00:18:22,919 the night and repay the entire [\h__\h] 386 00:18:27,950 --> 00:18:25,919 life I saw that that wasn't something 387 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:27,960 I've heard about read in the paper it 388 00:18:32,390 --> 00:18:29,490 was something I saw with my own two eyes 389 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:32,400 and I was like nine years old so from 390 00:18:38,210 --> 00:18:35,850 that moment I was a true believer in the 391 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:38,220 enigma of UFOs and when I heard about 392 00:18:45,940 --> 00:18:42,210 Aurora it was my chance to sort of give 393 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:45,950 back something to to write and to 394 00:18:49,070 --> 00:18:48,330 sensationalize a little bit the Aurora 395 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:49,080 incident 396 00:18:53,419 --> 00:18:50,730 we're continuing here with our 397 00:18:55,669 --> 00:18:53,429 discussion of the book traveler and how 398 00:19:04,990 --> 00:18:55,679 things came to pass now are you familiar 399 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:08,930 well way back when I think in the 70s he 400 00:19:14,899 --> 00:19:10,970 got a lot of national publicity 401 00:19:19,250 --> 00:19:14,909 promising to make hay out of the Aurora 402 00:19:21,169 --> 00:19:19,260 episode and you know it turned out to be 403 00:19:23,180 --> 00:19:21,179 nothing in guys publicity you guys ten 404 00:19:26,270 --> 00:19:23,190 minutes of fame and kind of sort of 405 00:19:28,940 --> 00:19:26,280 disappeared but no you never heard of 406 00:19:32,690 --> 00:19:28,950 him all right well that's where you go 407 00:19:34,279 --> 00:19:32,700 I think whatever he tried to do didn't 408 00:19:36,380 --> 00:19:34,289 work so well but I'm gonna ask you 409 00:19:39,470 --> 00:19:36,390 quickly here now that we've kind of had 410 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:39,480 the background here tell us more about 411 00:19:44,310 --> 00:19:42,690 what happens in your book to bring it up 412 00:19:48,300 --> 00:19:44,320 to date 413 00:19:50,490 --> 00:19:48,310 okay well like I said this this this 414 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:50,500 this girl reporter this young 415 00:19:56,460 --> 00:19:53,410 good-looking girl reporter over in 416 00:19:58,940 --> 00:19:56,470 Gainesville Texas she's she doesn't call 417 00:20:05,480 --> 00:19:58,950 um it's called the century in the name 418 00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:07,860 articles that happened hundred years ago 419 00:20:12,510 --> 00:20:10,000 so she digs through the archives of the 420 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:12,520 newspaper and find stuff and tries to 421 00:20:17,670 --> 00:20:15,850 make little little little little columns 422 00:20:21,390 --> 00:20:17,680 every week well she she runs across 423 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:21,400 there which just fascinates her so she 424 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:23,410 prints off the story she picks it to her 425 00:20:28,140 --> 00:20:24,810 editor 426 00:20:29,850 --> 00:20:28,150 he's a UFO bust so he immediately says 427 00:20:33,210 --> 00:20:29,860 okay you need to you need to go over 428 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:33,220 there and find him so she goes over and 429 00:20:39,390 --> 00:20:36,250 she starts digging around and the 430 00:20:41,130 --> 00:20:39,400 sheriff and the game warden have been 431 00:20:42,900 --> 00:20:41,140 trying to keep this thing quiet for 432 00:20:45,570 --> 00:20:42,910 years we're supposed to the FBI has been 433 00:20:47,310 --> 00:20:45,580 over there trying to find his grave and 434 00:20:49,770 --> 00:20:47,320 they don't want to they don't want them 435 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:49,780 to take him and it's just a little 436 00:20:55,170 --> 00:20:52,930 country town secret that they're trying 437 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:55,180 to keep the spirit there right now and 438 00:21:01,410 --> 00:20:56,770 then somebody comes sniffing around 439 00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:01,420 asking all these questions well she gets 440 00:21:07,230 --> 00:21:05,200 the help of two cousins and the cousins 441 00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:07,240 actually their great great grandfather 442 00:21:13,770 --> 00:21:10,000 was the one that that witnessed the 443 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:13,780 crash and stole a feast of the Peace of 444 00:21:22,890 --> 00:21:18,730 be broken up spaceship and so the tale 445 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:22,900 goes on and on and on and finally they 446 00:21:30,450 --> 00:21:26,610 they recover the remains of the 447 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:30,460 extraterrestrial and try to find a space 448 00:21:36,360 --> 00:21:33,610 place to relocate him where the feds 449 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:36,370 can't get a hold of you know so that's 450 00:21:43,470 --> 00:21:40,930 that's the entertaining fictional 1997 451 00:21:48,750 --> 00:21:43,480 part but there are a lot of chapters in 452 00:21:50,670 --> 00:21:48,760 the novel that go back to 1897 and they 453 00:21:52,590 --> 00:21:50,680 are they're pretty much historically 454 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:52,600 accurate as to how the event could have 455 00:21:57,340 --> 00:21:55,210 unfolded so what do you think about it 456 00:21:59,919 --> 00:21:57,350 all at this point 457 00:22:03,190 --> 00:21:59,929 what does anyone do at this point to 458 00:22:04,690 --> 00:22:03,200 prove whether or not aurora happened it 459 00:22:07,060 --> 00:22:04,700 was a real event that'd be very 460 00:22:09,310 --> 00:22:07,070 interesting to explore and the reason I 461 00:22:11,710 --> 00:22:09,320 bring that to the forefront is over the 462 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:11,720 years at least in recent years the 463 00:22:16,269 --> 00:22:14,570 stories of the Aurora Texas crash had 464 00:22:19,570 --> 00:22:16,279 been regarded pretty much as just that 465 00:22:21,970 --> 00:22:19,580 story not something that ever really 466 00:22:24,370 --> 00:22:21,980 happened I'm gonna explore that in our 467 00:22:25,899 --> 00:22:24,380 next segment so we're talking with the 468 00:22:28,659 --> 00:22:25,909 author of traveler 469 00:22:30,669 --> 00:22:28,669 remember it's docudrama or fiction based 470 00:22:33,610 --> 00:22:30,679 on fact or something like that 471 00:22:36,369 --> 00:22:33,620 the authors are Carrie Trent Haggard and 472 00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:36,379 Johnnie Dale Cochran the second Carrie 473 00:22:48,999 --> 00:22:38,720 will be back in a moment with Jeanne and 474 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:49,009 Randall you're in the para cast thank 475 00:23:00,940 --> 00:22:58,600 visit GP and 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00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:36,770 happen 594 00:27:42,370 --> 00:27:40,490 the Texas Historical Society they must 595 00:27:45,130 --> 00:27:42,380 feel like it happened because there's a 596 00:27:48,730 --> 00:27:45,140 there's a National Monument place there 597 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:48,740 that talks about the enzymes they have 598 00:27:56,170 --> 00:27:52,330 had teams out there with 599 00:27:58,420 --> 00:27:56,180 ground-penetrating radar and in the spot 600 00:28:01,060 --> 00:27:58,430 where the extra-terrestrial is buried 601 00:28:05,410 --> 00:28:01,070 there is a small body buried there but 602 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:05,420 the Aurora City Council has strictly 603 00:28:10,660 --> 00:28:08,090 forbidden anybody to exhume that body 604 00:28:14,100 --> 00:28:10,670 because they do not want that happening 605 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:14,110 so there's there's really no way to 606 00:28:20,740 --> 00:28:17,450 prove that it's an actual event and 607 00:28:22,660 --> 00:28:20,750 there's no way to disprove either I mean 608 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:22,670 you know it was reported in the local 609 00:28:27,820 --> 00:28:24,530 newspaper at the time it's been talked 610 00:28:31,270 --> 00:28:27,830 about ever spent on and all so is it 611 00:28:34,540 --> 00:28:31,280 that is it fiction I can't tell you I 612 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:34,550 know Jim Marrs believed it was true I 613 00:28:42,010 --> 00:28:38,450 know I believe it was true but is there 614 00:28:43,330 --> 00:28:42,020 any way to to nail the lid shut on it I 615 00:28:45,010 --> 00:28:43,340 don't know 616 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:45,020 that's sight to when you were talking 617 00:28:49,930 --> 00:28:47,690 about the ground-penetrating radar from 618 00:28:53,380 --> 00:28:49,940 what I recall that they actually had 619 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:53,390 picked up some sort of signal from metal 620 00:29:00,130 --> 00:28:55,250 there they had metal detectors out there 621 00:29:03,730 --> 00:29:00,140 and then they thought well okay this is 622 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:03,740 really interesting and a few days later 623 00:29:07,690 --> 00:29:06,170 I mean they'd had some guards posted 624 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:07,700 there because they didn't want people 625 00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:09,290 digging it up when they found that and 626 00:29:14,260 --> 00:29:11,600 then a few days later it turns out that 627 00:29:17,470 --> 00:29:14,270 somebody had managed to get in there 628 00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:17,480 according to one article and extract the 629 00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:19,360 metal pieces out of the gravesite 630 00:29:25,030 --> 00:29:23,120 somehow with some sort of tube metal 631 00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:25,040 tubes or something without actually 632 00:29:28,450 --> 00:29:26,809 having to dig up the whole thing 633 00:29:31,509 --> 00:29:28,460 can you tell us a bit more about that I 634 00:29:32,769 --> 00:29:31,519 read the same thing somebody went in 635 00:29:34,289 --> 00:29:32,779 there in the middle of the night they 636 00:29:37,389 --> 00:29:34,299 must have snuck in through the back 637 00:29:40,090 --> 00:29:37,399 that's when the gravestone the original 638 00:29:43,629 --> 00:29:40,100 gravestone that was put there on the 639 00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:43,639 extraterrestrials grave in 1897 that had 640 00:29:50,769 --> 00:29:47,840 a cigar shaped craft carved into the 641 00:29:53,619 --> 00:29:50,779 rock was stolen so somebody went in 642 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:53,629 there and stole the gravestone and 643 00:29:59,169 --> 00:29:56,090 somehow another managed to get this 644 00:30:02,230 --> 00:29:59,179 metal these metal fragment out of the 645 00:30:05,499 --> 00:30:02,240 ground now was a federal government that 646 00:30:07,930 --> 00:30:05,509 went in there at 2:00 to debunk this to 647 00:30:08,889 --> 00:30:07,940 make sure there was no proof for anyone 648 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:08,899 else to find 649 00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:11,450 was it a fanatic that went in there who 650 00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:15,129 knows I don't know I have a theory that 651 00:30:21,549 --> 00:30:19,039 the gravestone is probably within 10 652 00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:21,559 miles of where it was stolen there's a 653 00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:25,279 lawyer in Fort water that's offered 654 00:30:31,330 --> 00:30:28,369 $1,000 award for the return of the 655 00:30:33,220 --> 00:30:31,340 gravestone I think that a lot of the 656 00:30:36,700 --> 00:30:33,230 reason the gravestone was stolen was to 657 00:30:38,859 --> 00:30:36,710 try to to quieten things up a bit I 658 00:30:40,869 --> 00:30:38,869 don't know about the metal fragments I 659 00:30:42,879 --> 00:30:40,879 read same thing you did they stuck a 660 00:30:45,730 --> 00:30:42,889 piece of pipe in the ground and drove it 661 00:30:47,379 --> 00:30:45,740 down and was able to retrieve them I you 662 00:30:48,909 --> 00:30:47,389 know somebody went to a lot of trouble 663 00:30:53,169 --> 00:30:48,919 to do all that 664 00:30:55,389 --> 00:30:53,179 why and I'd only yeah it seems like a 665 00:30:59,109 --> 00:30:55,399 rather sophisticated way of extracting 666 00:31:01,060 --> 00:30:59,119 just specific bits of material from a 667 00:31:01,989 --> 00:31:01,070 site if it was just grave robbers or 668 00:31:03,310 --> 00:31:01,999 something they'd just go in there and 669 00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:03,320 dig it up and take whatever they could 670 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:05,840 find but you know this sort of 671 00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:08,210 extraction method was kind of unusual 672 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:09,710 I've never heard of anything quite like 673 00:31:15,940 --> 00:31:13,490 it right even if we don't know what was 674 00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:15,950 down there we do know that some of these 675 00:31:19,180 --> 00:31:17,360 things happen like there's certain 676 00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:19,190 things that you could believe are 677 00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:22,129 historically factual surrounding the 678 00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:25,039 case in that sense even if it let's say 679 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:26,960 is an urban legend or an urban myth 680 00:31:30,850 --> 00:31:28,970 there's still some interesting history 681 00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:30,860 around it in terms of what people 682 00:31:35,769 --> 00:31:32,809 believe and the way the stories are told 683 00:31:38,889 --> 00:31:35,779 and the things things like this that 684 00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,899 have happened right and the description 685 00:31:43,150 --> 00:31:40,640 of the issue 686 00:31:46,030 --> 00:31:43,160 fresco at the time was the typical 687 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:46,040 description of the gray I mean it was 688 00:31:52,150 --> 00:31:49,130 the large head the the no hair the small 689 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:52,160 ears small nose those old Cowboys out 690 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:53,690 there at the time didn't make all that 691 00:31:58,030 --> 00:31:55,730 they wouldn't know how to make all 692 00:31:59,950 --> 00:31:58,040 better 693 00:32:02,170 --> 00:31:59,960 but there's a really good point because 694 00:32:04,300 --> 00:32:02,180 the old Cowboys they didn't they didn't 695 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:04,310 know about grace I didn't know about the 696 00:32:08,590 --> 00:32:06,890 carvings in ancient Egypt they didn't 697 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:08,600 know about the greys had been visiting 698 00:32:15,130 --> 00:32:11,210 us for centuries this was the 699 00:32:17,710 --> 00:32:15,140 description of what they found of the 700 00:32:21,060 --> 00:32:17,720 being that they found and it matched 701 00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:21,070 perfectly the long arms the slender 702 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:26,110 fingers the real small being you know 703 00:32:30,940 --> 00:32:29,090 there's no way of knowing all that how 704 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:30,950 would they made better I don't know I 705 00:32:37,380 --> 00:32:34,010 don't recall that level of detail in the 706 00:32:39,970 --> 00:32:37,390 in the actual news story though of the 707 00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:39,980 occupants that in the original news 708 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:41,120 story it was that something that came 709 00:32:45,550 --> 00:32:43,250 out later from investigation that was 710 00:32:48,190 --> 00:32:45,560 what Jim Marrs told me that it had been 711 00:32:50,830 --> 00:32:48,200 reported at the time that there was all 712 00:32:53,770 --> 00:32:50,840 kinds of reporting's going on not just 713 00:32:55,510 --> 00:32:53,780 in a newspaper but handed down through 714 00:32:58,090 --> 00:32:55,520 the locals of the time and that was a 715 00:33:00,520 --> 00:32:58,100 description that they were giving so it 716 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:00,530 was typical great description that's 717 00:33:05,290 --> 00:33:03,050 interesting I think what gene had 718 00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:05,300 started get getting us into as well as 719 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:08,000 this sort of idea does this fiction 720 00:33:14,260 --> 00:33:10,730 drive UFO mythology or do real vents 721 00:33:17,170 --> 00:33:14,270 inspire UFO entertainment like which 722 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:17,180 comes first in this case it seems to be 723 00:33:22,810 --> 00:33:18,410 something that happened quite a long 724 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:22,820 time ago right yeah and you know I in my 725 00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:25,850 research here's a thing in my research 726 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:30,320 to do my novel I found dozens and dozens 727 00:33:39,780 --> 00:33:35,210 of accounts of UFOs and alien landings 728 00:33:43,930 --> 00:33:39,790 and from the Civil War on up through the 729 00:33:47,230 --> 00:33:43,940 1870s and 1880s and 1890s leading up to 730 00:33:50,860 --> 00:33:47,240 Aurora I've actually got one here that 731 00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:50,870 okay so in my research to write traveler 732 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:54,110 in my in my research to 733 00:34:00,610 --> 00:33:56,690 traveler I ran across dozens if not 734 00:34:06,130 --> 00:34:00,620 hundreds of accounts of UFOs and the Old 735 00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:06,140 West alien landings and such from 18 you 736 00:34:11,770 --> 00:34:08,320 know from the Civil War through the 737 00:34:16,810 --> 00:34:11,780 1870s 1880s I've got a real good one 738 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:16,820 here from September 1864 a fur trapper 739 00:34:23,770 --> 00:34:20,090 named James Looney watched a sky rocket 740 00:34:26,980 --> 00:34:23,780 straight through the sky above the Great 741 00:34:29,980 --> 00:34:26,990 Falls of upper Missouri which moments 742 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:29,990 later crashed with a monstrous explosion 743 00:34:35,409 --> 00:34:31,970 that shook the entire forest 744 00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:35,419 and he knitted such Heat on impact that 745 00:34:42,180 --> 00:34:38,960 it turned the ground to glass reported 746 00:34:45,399 --> 00:34:42,190 in the september cincinnati commercial 747 00:34:48,210 --> 00:34:45,409 the next morning Lindley was astonished 748 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:48,220 to find a widespread path of destruction 749 00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:51,490 cut through the forests several rods why 750 00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:55,520 he went to describe the object at the 751 00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:57,890 end of it is divided into compartments 752 00:35:03,730 --> 00:35:01,520 and carved with hieroglyphics similar to 753 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:03,740 those found in the writings of ancient 754 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:08,930 Egypt there's one 1864 so oh you know 755 00:35:17,260 --> 00:35:12,770 there's been hundreds of reports even 756 00:35:19,870 --> 00:35:17,270 back in the old old with of flying 757 00:35:23,230 --> 00:35:19,880 saucers and extraterrestrial landing 758 00:35:24,910 --> 00:35:23,240 just nothing new that's pretty 759 00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:24,920 interesting that sounds a lot like the 760 00:35:34,359 --> 00:35:31,910 Kecksburg case yeah acorn shaped kind of 761 00:35:37,810 --> 00:35:34,369 thing they thought was a meteor at first 762 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:37,820 came down and went into the forest and 763 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:41,810 it had similar kind of markings on it as 764 00:35:47,650 --> 00:35:45,170 well yeah yeah and that was that was 765 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:47,660 right here that was right here in 766 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:54,170 Pennsylvania yeah yeah they've got a 767 00:36:00,280 --> 00:35:56,450 kind of a sculpture of the thing right 768 00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,290 there as well too so these cases have 769 00:36:04,270 --> 00:36:02,240 been going on for quite a while and 770 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:04,280 we're gonna talk about that in more 771 00:36:07,870 --> 00:36:05,210 detail in a moment 772 00:36:10,210 --> 00:36:07,880 okay our guest co-host 773 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:10,220 is Jay Randall Murphy our guest is Carey 774 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:12,250 Trent Haggard the book is called 775 00:36:16,990 --> 00:36:15,410 traveler with so much more to come now 776 00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:17,000 someone later in the show we're going to 777 00:36:20,279 --> 00:36:19,250 reveal something that you may not know 778 00:36:24,490 --> 00:36:20,289 about 779 00:36:26,890 --> 00:36:24,500 Trent's past and something that Camus is 780 00:36:30,789 --> 00:36:26,900 surprised to us but something that you 781 00:36:35,289 --> 00:36:30,799 might find fascinating okay has nothing 782 00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:35,299 to do with UFOs or his hobby of vintage 783 00:36:40,599 --> 00:36:38,240 cars something fascinating something you 784 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:40,609 might not have expected you're in the 785 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:52,270 thank you for listening to GCS 786 00:37:03,069 --> 00:37:00,609 do you need a website well you can get a 787 00:37:05,799 --> 00:37:03,079 great deal on hosting services with 788 00:37:07,870 --> 00:37:05,809 namecheap s-- legendary coupon code 789 00:37:09,849 --> 00:37:07,880 they're offering substantial hosting 790 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--> 00:40:52,690 contact your youngevity distributor or 889 00:41:00,130 --> 00:40:54,880 call eight seven seven eight seven eight 890 00:41:00,140 --> 00:41:05,880 [Music] 891 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:09,040 during this reading and listening to the 892 00:41:17,350 --> 00:41:14,810 paragraph just to let you know here we 893 00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:17,360 are having the usual Skype connection 894 00:41:22,690 --> 00:41:20,720 problems and so we're trying to 895 00:41:25,390 --> 00:41:22,700 undestroyed the interview as much as 896 00:41:27,850 --> 00:41:25,400 possible Randall go ahead please yeah we 897 00:41:30,430 --> 00:41:27,860 were just talking about how the early 898 00:41:33,850 --> 00:41:30,440 airship wave kind of morphed into modern 899 00:41:38,670 --> 00:41:33,860 ufology and the connection between that 900 00:41:41,980 --> 00:41:38,680 and does fiction drive the mythology or 901 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:41,990 does the mythology drive the fiction or 902 00:41:46,510 --> 00:41:44,810 does real-life cases in case of some of 903 00:41:49,870 --> 00:41:46,520 them that are pretty much verifiable do 904 00:41:51,610 --> 00:41:49,880 they drive the UFO dogma so to speak 905 00:41:55,090 --> 00:41:51,620 we've got actually a question on that 906 00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:55,100 from one of our forum people and I'll 907 00:41:59,740 --> 00:41:57,920 just read that kind of briefly here and 908 00:42:02,140 --> 00:41:59,750 then we can get your comment on it 909 00:42:04,510 --> 00:42:02,150 Carrie he says skeptics claim that we 910 00:42:07,150 --> 00:42:04,520 see UFOs and aliens because we consume 911 00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:07,160 too much fictional entertainment by that 912 00:42:11,770 --> 00:42:09,710 logic we should be seeing UFOs who look 913 00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:11,780 like Batman vehicles or aliens who look 914 00:42:17,860 --> 00:42:15,310 like DC's Marvel's superheroes universes 915 00:42:20,170 --> 00:42:17,870 superheroes have never taken science 916 00:42:24,370 --> 00:42:20,180 fiction as a number one fictional 917 00:42:25,930 --> 00:42:24,380 entertainment idea or media so I think 918 00:42:28,830 --> 00:42:25,940 he makes a pretty valid point there 919 00:42:31,150 --> 00:42:28,840 you know if it's sci-fi driving UFO 920 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:31,160 reports how come they don't look like 921 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:36,170 typical sci-fi objects well and that is 922 00:42:41,740 --> 00:42:39,530 a good point in modern day but there 923 00:42:44,220 --> 00:42:41,750 were hundreds and hundreds and hundreds 924 00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:44,230 of these account way before television 925 00:42:51,970 --> 00:42:47,510 so uh you know if you go back to the 926 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:51,980 ones they're consistent throughout the 927 00:42:58,420 --> 00:42:52,970 1300s 928 00:43:01,300 --> 00:42:58,430 the 1500 and the 1800 today you know 929 00:43:04,260 --> 00:43:01,310 people a lot of people like this to 930 00:43:08,170 --> 00:43:04,270 specialize on anything but today they 931 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:08,180 they do go buy a lot of that but you 932 00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:10,730 know how do you explain the ones 200 933 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:13,250 years ago I think it's pretty fair to 934 00:43:17,739 --> 00:43:15,170 say I mean okay there are skeptic 935 00:43:21,219 --> 00:43:17,749 and I think it's pretty fair to say that 936 00:43:23,259 --> 00:43:21,229 quite a few of the reports probably were 937 00:43:25,029 --> 00:43:23,269 fictional if you read 938 00:43:27,459 --> 00:43:25,039 Kevin Randall's blog I'm not sure if you 939 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:27,469 know who he is but he's done some 940 00:43:31,749 --> 00:43:30,170 research and basically found that the 941 00:43:34,329 --> 00:43:31,759 person who wrote the original article 942 00:43:36,249 --> 00:43:34,339 essentially claimed he made it up yeah 943 00:43:38,319 --> 00:43:36,259 it's just fiction if you know who Jerome 944 00:43:40,690 --> 00:43:38,329 Clark is he's done quite a bit of study 945 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:40,700 on the airship wave it's like one of his 946 00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:43,729 pet projects and it's known that the 947 00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:45,440 newspaper reporters at the time we're 948 00:43:50,259 --> 00:43:47,359 making up stories just to sell papers 949 00:43:52,180 --> 00:43:50,269 and get interest in various locales so I 950 00:43:54,339 --> 00:43:52,190 think it's fair to say probably quite a 951 00:43:56,739 --> 00:43:54,349 few of them were just stories that were 952 00:43:58,599 --> 00:43:56,749 made up but maybe this one slipped 953 00:44:00,609 --> 00:43:58,609 through the cracks maybe it's a boy who 954 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:00,619 cried wolf kind of thing like yeah 955 00:44:06,430 --> 00:44:03,170 there's a whole bunch of ones that are 956 00:44:08,009 --> 00:44:06,440 are fiction but hmm you know maybe there 957 00:44:12,969 --> 00:44:08,019 is one that actually made it through 958 00:44:14,829 --> 00:44:12,979 that was real it could be I mean it 959 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:14,839 could have been the entire thing could 960 00:44:21,789 --> 00:44:17,690 be made up but there were hundreds of 961 00:44:28,180 --> 00:44:21,799 account from California starting and I 962 00:44:30,339 --> 00:44:28,190 think 1896 or 94 and they're they're 963 00:44:32,319 --> 00:44:30,349 pretty much consistent there's some of 964 00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:32,329 the some of the terrestrials that they 965 00:44:37,420 --> 00:44:35,359 had landed they breathe through they 966 00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:37,430 were small they were short they had no 967 00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:39,529 hair they breathe through an apparatus 968 00:44:46,209 --> 00:44:42,609 floor their craft covered behind them I 969 00:44:47,829 --> 00:44:46,219 can't say I can't say for sure where it 970 00:44:49,749 --> 00:44:47,839 was true where it was not what it was 971 00:44:54,339 --> 00:44:49,759 all made up people make up all kinds of 972 00:44:58,569 --> 00:44:54,349 things I just feel like that a majority 973 00:45:02,099 --> 00:44:58,579 of them were probably accurate and that 974 00:45:05,499 --> 00:45:02,109 they were seeing UFO craft in the sky 975 00:45:08,410 --> 00:45:05,509 one of the things kevin rendell asks 976 00:45:10,930 --> 00:45:08,420 here too is if there was a bunch of 977 00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:10,940 metal from the object it was sort of 978 00:45:14,620 --> 00:45:12,529 strewn all over the place how come we 979 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:14,630 don't have any fragments you'd think 980 00:45:18,459 --> 00:45:15,890 somebody would have picked up something 981 00:45:19,809 --> 00:45:18,469 or some bit of souvenir I mean it 982 00:45:23,410 --> 00:45:19,819 couldn't have all just disintegrated 983 00:45:25,539 --> 00:45:23,420 into his pieces so small nobody you know 984 00:45:27,420 --> 00:45:25,549 would be able to to find them because 985 00:45:29,579 --> 00:45:27,430 there was a body involved so 986 00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:29,589 you know I mean a ship would have a lot 987 00:45:37,170 --> 00:45:34,480 of parts right now I believe that simple 988 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:37,180 to know exactly will happen but the 989 00:45:45,089 --> 00:45:41,650 report was that well my thing is the the 990 00:45:48,299 --> 00:45:45,099 fragments of the craft they could be 991 00:45:51,210 --> 00:45:48,309 intense in Aurora and in the Fort Worth 992 00:45:54,779 --> 00:45:51,220 area that better or now because they 993 00:45:57,299 --> 00:45:54,789 were handed down 121 years ago most of 994 00:46:02,249 --> 00:45:57,309 the threats from the craft or dumped 995 00:46:04,620 --> 00:46:02,259 down a whale all this there's so much 996 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:04,630 speculation it's impossible to fill 997 00:46:11,730 --> 00:46:08,410 where all the fragments are 121 years 998 00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:11,740 later I guess they did find some 999 00:46:18,839 --> 00:46:14,730 fragments they eventually unsealed that 1000 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:18,849 well and found remnants of a sump pump 1001 00:46:24,059 --> 00:46:21,490 type of it compared and so they do know 1002 00:46:26,370 --> 00:46:24,069 that there was some kind of at our water 1003 00:46:29,069 --> 00:46:26,380 tower or pumping mechanism there and 1004 00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,079 that there was some fragments that were 1005 00:46:35,009 --> 00:46:31,359 down in the bottom that had a high 1006 00:46:39,059 --> 00:46:35,019 content of aluminum I think I mean there 1007 00:46:41,849 --> 00:46:39,069 weren't many of them but there was 1008 00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:41,859 enough to analyze them and they and with 1009 00:46:48,509 --> 00:46:46,569 back in those days aluminium and whatnot 1010 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:48,519 a lot of people know this but aluminum 1011 00:46:52,170 --> 00:46:50,410 was really expensive it was more 1012 00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:52,180 expensive than gold because it was so 1013 00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:56,319 hard to refine so to for someone back in 1014 00:47:01,589 --> 00:46:59,920 the 1800's to hoax something with 1015 00:47:05,729 --> 00:47:01,599 aluminum would have been really 1016 00:47:08,039 --> 00:47:05,739 expensive to do right and what would be 1017 00:47:10,499 --> 00:47:08,049 the point I mean really what would be 1018 00:47:13,620 --> 00:47:10,509 the point to do back then you know the 1019 00:47:16,370 --> 00:47:13,630 argument has always been this story was 1020 00:47:19,319 --> 00:47:16,380 made up to save Aurora which was dying 1021 00:47:21,779 --> 00:47:19,329 he had had a crop infestation it had a 1022 00:47:26,249 --> 00:47:21,789 fire the railroad through that for 1023 00:47:28,859 --> 00:47:26,259 another location story going to help 1024 00:47:32,039 --> 00:47:28,869 it's not white a whole bunch of us 1025 00:47:33,900 --> 00:47:32,049 hundreds is our defender and spent a lot 1026 00:47:36,749 --> 00:47:33,910 of money to see what going on because 1027 00:47:38,579 --> 00:47:36,759 let he care about nothing like that that 1028 00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:38,589 they didn't have no way to even 1029 00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:40,720 authorized that the 1030 00:47:47,819 --> 00:47:45,910 idea of this was made up right and in 1031 00:47:50,010 --> 00:47:47,829 addition I mean if they wanted to 1032 00:47:52,020 --> 00:47:50,020 display it and for people to come and 1033 00:47:53,339 --> 00:47:52,030 look rather than trying to cover the 1034 00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:53,349 whole thing up and pretend it wasn't 1035 00:47:57,599 --> 00:47:55,510 there you would think that they would 1036 00:48:00,290 --> 00:47:57,609 have created something like the Aurora 1037 00:48:02,250 --> 00:48:00,300 museum or like they have the Roswell UFO 1038 00:48:04,770 --> 00:48:02,260 museum they might have done the same 1039 00:48:09,380 --> 00:48:04,780 thing instead of burying it all in the 1040 00:48:15,540 --> 00:48:12,359 supplies on the thing why wouldn't they 1041 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:15,550 put it on display on the on the town on 1042 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:17,890 the boardwalk yeah it doesn't make any 1043 00:48:28,380 --> 00:48:23,290 sense to bury it no at all there's all 1044 00:48:32,609 --> 00:48:28,390 these though these cover-up stories that 1045 00:48:36,030 --> 00:48:32,619 not with that Aurora and they've made a 1046 00:48:37,859 --> 00:48:36,040 dying town and all this man it doesn't 1047 00:48:39,660 --> 00:48:37,869 make any sense doesn't make any sense at 1048 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:39,670 all I think that the answer that 1049 00:48:45,359 --> 00:48:42,490 happened but of course that's my own any 1050 00:48:47,849 --> 00:48:45,369 looking at this release in my crazy 1051 00:48:50,359 --> 00:48:47,859 perspective is a skeptic that anything 1052 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:50,369 really strange happened at Aurora 1053 00:48:55,050 --> 00:48:52,210 obviously they haven't made a big 1054 00:48:58,740 --> 00:48:55,060 movement towards monetizing this event 1055 00:49:01,880 --> 00:48:58,750 then again keeping it a mystery putting 1056 00:49:04,980 --> 00:49:01,890 it in a grave that no one is allowed to 1057 00:49:07,859 --> 00:49:04,990 open up that would certainly create an 1058 00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:07,869 aura of mystery to some people but it's 1059 00:49:13,890 --> 00:49:10,720 not as if we realize there's an annual 1060 00:49:16,740 --> 00:49:13,900 Aurora festival but any of this the 1061 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:16,750 legend of a UFO crash did anything but 1062 00:49:23,490 --> 00:49:20,530 maybe inspire sockets of publicity get 1063 00:49:25,020 --> 00:49:23,500 some UFO fans to maybe want to go down 1064 00:49:28,349 --> 00:49:25,030 there and see what was really going on 1065 00:49:30,750 --> 00:49:28,359 but as a practical matter it didn't help 1066 00:49:32,970 --> 00:49:30,760 Aurora Texas but we still have the 1067 00:49:34,859 --> 00:49:32,980 mystery it crops up every few years and 1068 00:49:37,140 --> 00:49:34,869 we can have some fun with it and 1069 00:49:39,059 --> 00:49:37,150 certainly this book as I said is fiction 1070 00:49:42,059 --> 00:49:39,069 so it really doesn't matter at the end 1071 00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:42,069 of the day whether this ever happened if 1072 00:49:48,450 --> 00:49:45,609 it didn't happen so be it so we really 1073 00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:48,460 don't know but it sounds like a fun 1074 00:49:53,460 --> 00:49:51,730 thing to continue to pursue at the end 1075 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:53,470 of the day I find that there was no 1076 00:49:57,090 --> 00:49:54,490 evidence to 1077 00:50:00,810 --> 00:49:57,100 prove that a spaceship crashed out of 1078 00:50:02,850 --> 00:50:00,820 the roar then alien was recovered from 1079 00:50:06,420 --> 00:50:02,860 that spaceship or was involved in any 1080 00:50:07,260 --> 00:50:06,430 particular way if it's shown that that 1081 00:50:10,050 --> 00:50:07,270 didn't happen 1082 00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:10,060 I wouldn't affect your book any but 1083 00:50:16,340 --> 00:50:11,920 would you be upset over all the work 1084 00:50:21,150 --> 00:50:16,350 you've done or what oh no you know it 1085 00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:21,160 it's just our culture is history a lot 1086 00:50:30,780 --> 00:50:27,040 of history has get sidelined a lot of 1087 00:50:34,970 --> 00:50:30,790 history has been I still I still thought 1088 00:50:39,390 --> 00:50:34,980 that most it wouldn't affect me at all 1089 00:50:43,740 --> 00:50:39,400 and a lot of history gets covered up 1090 00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:43,750 covered over exaggerated under-under 1091 00:50:48,780 --> 00:50:47,440 told and distorted so it wouldn't it 1092 00:50:51,210 --> 00:50:48,790 wouldn't bother me at all as it 1093 00:50:53,460 --> 00:50:51,220 absolutely positively was convenient 1094 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:53,470 sorrow that the Aurora incident never 1095 00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:55,930 happened there's duck there's absolute 1096 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certainly it has fun ingredients to it 1165 00:54:30,220 --> 00:54:27,500 I agree even if it didn't happen it'd be 1166 00:54:33,580 --> 00:54:30,230 fun to do and this takes us to a larger 1167 00:54:36,190 --> 00:54:33,590 question about UFOs forgetting whether 1168 00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:36,200 Aurora is real or a fake or whatever 1169 00:54:40,990 --> 00:54:38,650 you're still convinced that there are 1170 00:54:44,250 --> 00:54:41,000 UFOs out there and that they're probably 1171 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:44,260 spaceships well absolutely I mean the 1172 00:54:49,780 --> 00:54:46,970 incident I witnessed in my childhood 1173 00:54:53,290 --> 00:54:49,790 there was seven to eight minutes between 1174 00:54:56,530 --> 00:54:53,300 the time if it calls mention the time we 1175 00:55:00,040 --> 00:54:56,540 got there so a parking lot was almost on 1176 00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:00,050 fire so but you know I mean from the 1177 00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:01,970 time it took us to get there something 1178 00:55:07,060 --> 00:55:04,400 had landed something had landed them 1179 00:55:11,500 --> 00:55:07,070 taken off again what else could it be 1180 00:55:14,890 --> 00:55:11,510 but the UFO I mean really and I don't 1181 00:55:17,110 --> 00:55:14,900 know any sort of regular terrestrial 1182 00:55:18,790 --> 00:55:17,120 craft that is going to cause a great big 1183 00:55:23,070 --> 00:55:18,800 burn circle on the pavement that would 1184 00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:23,080 actually land in a parking lot there's a 1185 00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:26,450 1974 so I mean you know the technology 1186 00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:28,490 then was not nothing like it is now so I 1187 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:32,510 truly believe it was a UFO craft again 1188 00:55:37,240 --> 00:55:35,450 there was a reported landing of a UFO in 1189 00:55:39,310 --> 00:55:37,250 the middle of the road in Daniels little 1190 00:55:42,610 --> 00:55:39,320 georgia where several people stuck their 1191 00:55:45,310 --> 00:55:42,620 collars install it at the same time of 1192 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:45,320 the same year within a month or two of 1193 00:55:54,550 --> 00:55:48,650 this landing in commerce so you know I 1194 00:55:56,410 --> 00:55:54,560 mean I percent believe all of that this 1195 00:55:59,560 --> 00:55:56,420 sort of almost reminiscent it to cash 1196 00:56:01,930 --> 00:55:59,570 Landrum thing where they dug up part of 1197 00:56:04,300 --> 00:56:01,940 the highway and replaced it because UFO 1198 00:56:05,790 --> 00:56:04,310 had come over it and heated up some 1199 00:56:10,410 --> 00:56:05,800 witnesses car 1200 00:56:13,290 --> 00:56:10,420 in the road that happened in 1980 if 1201 00:56:15,690 --> 00:56:13,300 you're familiar without it all no I 1202 00:56:19,620 --> 00:56:15,700 hadn't heard of that but again somebody 1203 00:56:21,420 --> 00:56:19,630 somebody from higher up santé asphalt 1204 00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:21,430 crew lien in the middle of the night and 1205 00:56:26,730 --> 00:56:23,650 repaid this parking lot like three days 1206 00:56:28,860 --> 00:56:26,740 after act so you can't tell me that 1207 00:56:31,380 --> 00:56:28,870 somebody was compared in coming there so 1208 00:56:33,930 --> 00:56:31,390 okay there's a big burnt circle with a 1209 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:33,940 whole bunch of metal drippings around to 1210 00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:37,330 cover that asphalt that parking lot redo 1211 00:56:44,250 --> 00:56:39,760 whatever it takes to get rid of that and 1212 00:56:47,460 --> 00:56:44,260 it was it was gone quickly yeah I said 1213 00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:47,470 just sheer coincidence or did something 1214 00:56:55,460 --> 00:56:51,850 else that someone or someone else get 1215 00:56:59,130 --> 00:56:55,470 involved with that from outside the the 1216 00:57:00,810 --> 00:56:59,140 parking lot administration I wonder if 1217 00:57:02,550 --> 00:57:00,820 anyone ever went in and asked hey did 1218 00:57:05,010 --> 00:57:02,560 you guys plan on doing your parking lot 1219 00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:05,020 or did some strange guys and men and 1220 00:57:08,220 --> 00:57:06,610 black come in and say by the way we're 1221 00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:08,230 giving you a complimentary parking lot 1222 00:57:14,610 --> 00:57:11,530 repaved and we just want to let you know 1223 00:57:17,490 --> 00:57:14,620 it's going to happen tomorrow right and 1224 00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:17,500 why why on earth would anybody pay the 1225 00:57:21,930 --> 00:57:19,090 parking lot in the middle of the month 1226 00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:21,940 what I mean this is us this is a small 1227 00:57:28,050 --> 00:57:25,290 town this is a little hick town between 1228 00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:28,060 Atlanta Georgia and Greenville South 1229 00:57:34,050 --> 00:57:31,330 Carolina why would anybody in their 1230 00:57:35,460 --> 00:57:34,060 right mind repay the parking lot in the 1231 00:57:38,250 --> 00:57:35,470 middle of the night it wouldn't have 1232 00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:38,260 happen especially back at that time it 1233 00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:41,170 wouldn't about somebody ordered that 1234 00:57:47,940 --> 00:57:43,330 somebody pay their awful lot of money to 1235 00:57:49,850 --> 00:57:47,950 have that done and then quickly yeah 1236 00:57:54,660 --> 00:57:49,860 that is pretty unusual 1237 00:57:59,070 --> 00:57:54,670 hey apparently you're also into antique 1238 00:58:00,630 --> 00:57:59,080 cars and can you tell us a little bit 1239 00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:00,640 about what you do with that because we 1240 00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:05,200 have a couple of gear heads on the forum 1241 00:58:12,660 --> 00:58:08,290 and one here he's saying he's rebuilding 1242 00:58:15,780 --> 00:58:12,670 appoints driven distributor or 1969 c3l 1243 00:58:18,530 --> 00:58:15,790 46 I'm I'm not sure I know what that is 1244 00:58:20,900 --> 00:58:18,540 I know what a points distributor is but 1245 00:58:25,150 --> 00:58:20,910 do you work on things that go back 1246 00:58:29,570 --> 00:58:25,160 before 1969 mainly or what's your thing 1247 00:58:33,410 --> 00:58:29,580 well uh I got into antique cars in 1980 1248 00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:33,420 my first growth of 1966 Mustang GT 1249 00:58:41,180 --> 00:58:36,570 Convertible but I my true love is 1250 00:58:44,810 --> 00:58:41,190 original antique cars from the 1930 not 1251 00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:44,820 modified not not flames not Chop tops 1252 00:58:51,410 --> 00:58:47,730 not fast and loud I don't like none of 1253 00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:51,420 that I like original classic off the 1254 00:58:56,690 --> 00:58:54,000 assembly line an original restored 1255 00:58:59,090 --> 00:58:56,700 antique cars that's what I've done all 1256 00:59:05,530 --> 00:58:59,100 my life I bought gold and restore 1257 00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:05,540 antique cars from 1980 owned up to like 1258 00:59:14,180 --> 00:59:11,490 2009 until I got into other problems but 1259 00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:14,190 yeah I restored I restored for show 1260 00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:18,770 competition 1948 forward 2-door sedan 1261 00:59:29,210 --> 00:59:23,760 1961 star alive at one high award and I 1262 00:59:32,570 --> 00:59:29,220 restored a 1938 Washington blue Ford 1263 00:59:36,290 --> 00:59:32,580 deluxe cook that won best free world war 1264 00:59:38,990 --> 00:59:36,300 two forward in the nation in ASDA in 1265 00:59:39,890 --> 00:59:39,000 2000 so I won like an Academy Award for 1266 00:59:43,100 --> 00:59:39,900 the car there 1267 00:59:46,220 --> 00:59:43,110 you must been pretty proud of that III 1268 00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:46,230 was and of course it's gone now but I 1269 00:59:54,590 --> 00:59:48,570 was very proud of it for a long time 1270 00:59:58,190 --> 00:59:54,600 do you know how i drove these antique 1271 01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:58,200 cars every day for a decade now i'm in 1272 01:00:02,420 --> 01:00:00,960 western Pennsylvania I moved here from 1273 01:00:04,790 --> 01:00:02,430 Georgia last July 1274 01:00:08,330 --> 01:00:04,800 and I am shooting a television show 1275 01:00:11,470 --> 01:00:08,340 called wheels of the pass it highlights 1276 01:00:15,620 --> 01:00:11,480 antique cars such as John Dillinger's 1277 01:00:19,220 --> 01:00:15,630 1933 Hudson Essex airplane the original 1278 01:00:23,330 --> 01:00:19,230 1958 Plymouth Fury that was used in the 1279 01:00:25,550 --> 01:00:23,340 making of John Carpenter's Christine the 1280 01:00:27,470 --> 01:00:25,560 little EMPA car that was the the 1281 01:00:31,530 --> 01:00:27,480 floating car that could glide across the 1282 01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:31,540 lake made from 1961 to 68 1283 01:00:36,350 --> 01:00:33,370 we ask you about that one then we'll get 1284 01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:36,360 back to our crazy subject the Amphicar 1285 01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:40,330 now does understand I was a kid from 1286 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:42,610 Brooklyn New York and I thought what 1287 01:00:47,970 --> 01:00:45,490 should my first car be and I read 1288 01:00:51,540 --> 01:00:47,980 reviews about this crazy car that could 1289 01:00:56,070 --> 01:00:51,550 become a boat the Amphicar and as you 1290 01:00:58,200 --> 01:00:56,080 say in the 1960s and what I read was it 1291 01:01:01,620 --> 01:00:58,210 was not such a good boat and it was not 1292 01:01:03,750 --> 01:01:01,630 such a good car but it seemed like fun 1293 01:01:05,370 --> 01:01:03,760 so my friend and I talked about it for a 1294 01:01:08,340 --> 01:01:05,380 while it was years before I actually got 1295 01:01:11,340 --> 01:01:08,350 my first car because in New York City we 1296 01:01:13,610 --> 01:01:11,350 had plenty of public transportation but 1297 01:01:16,050 --> 01:01:13,620 is that anything that could have been 1298 01:01:17,790 --> 01:01:16,060 practical certainly we see things like 1299 01:01:20,490 --> 01:01:17,800 that like in a James Bond movie or 1300 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:20,500 something but am i right saying the 1301 01:01:28,380 --> 01:01:23,890 original Amphicar was not the great 1302 01:01:32,580 --> 01:01:28,390 thing in the world oh no oh no they were 1303 01:01:37,650 --> 01:01:32,590 not practical at all we went to Port 1304 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:37,660 Clinton Ohio last summer and shot an 1305 01:01:42,540 --> 01:01:40,330 episode on the AMPA cars because they 1306 01:01:46,530 --> 01:01:42,550 had their convention over there 1307 01:01:49,830 --> 01:01:46,540 well we actually went out on lake on the 1308 01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:49,840 big lake then I guess like Michigan or 1309 01:01:57,150 --> 01:01:52,000 whatever it is like what the big wakes 1310 01:01:59,580 --> 01:01:57,160 up there and the car almost sank wish I 1311 01:02:00,360 --> 01:01:59,590 had my producer and his phone in the 1312 01:02:02,310 --> 01:02:00,370 back seat 1313 01:02:04,970 --> 01:02:02,320 I'm in the front seat the guys driving 1314 01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:04,980 the car we almost think we like 1315 01:02:11,580 --> 01:02:08,730 crash-landed on the little little island 1316 01:02:15,390 --> 01:02:11,590 just like Gilligan's Island it was it 1317 01:02:18,420 --> 01:02:15,400 was horrible oh boy I'll tell you 1318 01:02:23,190 --> 01:02:18,430 something here in I certainly admire 1319 01:02:25,350 --> 01:02:23,200 your courage and you think should too 1320 01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:25,360 how many of these amphicars were so 1321 01:02:30,810 --> 01:02:27,610 because it sounds to me is if you can 1322 01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:30,820 make a convention on anything how about 1323 01:02:48,690 --> 01:02:43,140 from 1961 to 68 there's a very few of 1324 01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:48,700 them left these followers are diehards 1325 01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:51,760 they get those cars out and they have 1326 01:02:56,850 --> 01:02:54,450 these swim ins they call them swim in 1327 01:02:58,500 --> 01:02:56,860 what'd you say their best kind of car 1328 01:03:01,650 --> 01:02:58,510 show and they go 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01:08:19,509 --> 01:08:15,439 cast would you hear about something 1452 01:08:21,999 --> 01:08:19,519 called an Amphicar a car and a boat but 1453 01:08:23,919 --> 01:08:22,009 not such a good one of either we also 1454 01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:23,929 have after the para cast which is really 1455 01:08:28,329 --> 01:08:27,199 good after the para cast is kind of 1456 01:08:30,189 --> 01:08:28,339 exhilaration 1457 01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:30,199 thats included only for people who 1458 01:08:35,019 --> 01:08:32,210 subscribe to the podcast plus go to plus 1459 01:08:37,689 --> 01:08:35,029 dr. perry cast calm once again that's 1460 01:08:40,209 --> 01:08:37,699 plus dr parra cast calm will give you 1461 01:08:42,819 --> 01:08:40,219 all the information you need everything 1462 01:08:45,609 --> 01:08:42,829 you were afraid to ask but will answer 1463 01:08:47,620 --> 01:08:45,619 those questions for you go to plus dr 1464 01:08:49,660 --> 01:08:47,630 parra cast calm we give you the after 1465 01:08:51,669 --> 01:08:49,670 the para cast podcast which is always 1466 01:08:54,370 --> 01:08:51,679 unpredictable sometimes special guests 1467 01:08:56,559 --> 01:08:54,380 we also offer a version of the show free 1468 01:08:59,470 --> 01:08:56,569 of the network dads they talk about all 1469 01:09:01,629 --> 01:08:59,480 the time on youtube why do you have 1470 01:09:03,490 --> 01:09:01,639 commercials it's obvious it's from a 1471 01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:03,500 regular commercial network prices 1472 01:09:09,009 --> 01:09:05,449 started just a dollar 49 our price cheap 1473 01:09:10,819 --> 01:09:09,019 plus dr. power cast calm and now we get 1474 01:09:12,829 --> 01:09:10,829 back to UFOs 1475 01:09:15,470 --> 01:09:12,839 and we're talking here with the 1476 01:09:20,979 --> 01:09:15,480 co-author of traveler Carrie Trent 1477 01:09:24,289 --> 01:09:20,989 Haggard it focuses on the Aurora Texas 1478 01:09:27,919 --> 01:09:24,299 episode wasn't really a UFO crash did it 1479 01:09:30,530 --> 01:09:27,929 really involve an alien being I mean 1480 01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:30,540 they even have this exhibit over there 1481 01:09:37,129 --> 01:09:33,449 the Aurora cemetery where they talk 1482 01:09:41,419 --> 01:09:37,139 about this it sounds to me though when 1483 01:09:43,490 --> 01:09:41,429 you talk about these episodes that these 1484 01:09:46,189 --> 01:09:43,500 days they'll use it as a tourist trap 1485 01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:46,199 kind of like they're doing with Roswell 1486 01:09:51,979 --> 01:09:49,170 are you a fan of Roswell well I've been 1487 01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:51,989 to Roswell I went to Roswell in 2000 and 1488 01:09:59,839 --> 01:09:56,250 I enjoyed it Roswell is the holy grail 1489 01:10:03,339 --> 01:09:59,849 of UFO crashes in the United States so 1490 01:10:06,620 --> 01:10:03,349 it's the whole the whole town is 1491 01:10:08,750 --> 01:10:06,630 obsessed with it even the McDowell's of 1492 01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:08,760 the UFO crashing into the rest of the 1493 01:10:11,450 --> 01:10:09,210 bill 1494 01:10:15,049 --> 01:10:11,460 you know Roswell is going to 1495 01:10:18,379 --> 01:10:15,059 sensationalize on the Aurora Aurora has 1496 01:10:22,189 --> 01:10:18,389 not ever sensationalized on it until 1497 01:10:25,490 --> 01:10:22,199 just the last few years and then now and 1498 01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:25,500 only now they have a very small little 1499 01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:30,210 display of a UFO and every once a year 1500 01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:32,130 they have a little cemetery tour that 1501 01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:35,040 attracts 30 or 40 people it's not a big 1502 01:10:37,850 --> 01:10:35,730 deal 1503 01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:37,860 they've never sensation when I was doing 1504 01:10:43,310 --> 01:10:41,489 in the 70s when the UPI released the 1505 01:10:45,260 --> 01:10:43,320 story and everybody went over there were 1506 01:10:47,569 --> 01:10:45,270 picks and shovels to try to dig up the 1507 01:10:49,100 --> 01:10:47,579 alien they wanted everybody to go away 1508 01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:49,110 they didn't want to have anything to do 1509 01:10:52,250 --> 01:10:49,530 with that 1510 01:10:54,350 --> 01:10:52,260 that was the Payton Hughes episode I 1511 01:10:56,629 --> 01:10:54,360 think that's when he got the national 1512 01:11:00,020 --> 01:10:56,639 publicity and called everyone down there 1513 01:11:03,319 --> 01:11:00,030 to dig up this body yes and Aurora at 1514 01:11:06,500 --> 01:11:03,329 the time they all want them to do it Lee 1515 01:11:10,399 --> 01:11:06,510 they got an injunction to keep them from 1516 01:11:12,620 --> 01:11:10,409 being at their cemetery they had the 1517 01:11:14,569 --> 01:11:12,630 local police out there at night guarding 1518 01:11:16,580 --> 01:11:14,579 the place try to keep it away and that's 1519 01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:16,590 when the that's when the metal got so 1520 01:11:24,169 --> 01:11:21,840 but Aurora never did want to make a big 1521 01:11:27,270 --> 01:11:24,179 thing out of it like Roswell 1522 01:11:31,319 --> 01:11:27,280 it just part of a history and so now 1523 01:11:32,910 --> 01:11:31,329 after 121 years there they're doing a 1524 01:11:35,220 --> 01:11:32,920 little bit with it they're getting a 1525 01:11:38,009 --> 01:11:35,230 little recognition with it but they 1526 01:11:40,589 --> 01:11:38,019 still don't use it as a ploy to make a 1527 01:11:43,470 --> 01:11:40,599 whole lot of money so if you could make 1528 01:11:45,990 --> 01:11:43,480 it into a movie would you want it to be 1529 01:11:47,430 --> 01:11:46,000 something like a major motion picture or 1530 01:11:50,759 --> 01:11:47,440 do you think it would be more suitable 1531 01:11:52,799 --> 01:11:50,769 for something like Netflix original you 1532 01:11:55,109 --> 01:11:52,809 know or something along the lines of 1533 01:11:56,819 --> 01:11:55,119 Cowboys and Aliens yeah how would you 1534 01:11:59,790 --> 01:11:56,829 feel if they say took your script and 1535 01:12:03,870 --> 01:11:59,800 really you know took a lot more artistic 1536 01:12:07,890 --> 01:12:03,880 license with it and sensationalized it 1537 01:12:12,209 --> 01:12:07,900 like cowboys and Aliens yeah if I could 1538 01:12:16,430 --> 01:12:12,219 make traveler into a motion picture that 1539 01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:16,440 would be phenomenal the chera in the 1540 01:12:23,279 --> 01:12:20,170 1897 spectrum actually I based on 1541 01:12:26,370 --> 01:12:23,289 Matthew McConaughey the way he acts the 1542 01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:26,380 way he talks he would be the perfect 1543 01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:30,130 person to play the sheriff in the 1997 1544 01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:35,679 second I based the 1897 sheriff on Rod 1545 01:12:42,299 --> 01:12:39,610 Taylor in the 1986 short-lived series 1546 01:12:45,390 --> 01:12:42,309 called the outlaws hey Sheriff Jonathan 1547 01:12:48,509 --> 01:12:45,400 Grail if I found somebody that wanted to 1548 01:12:50,729 --> 01:12:48,519 make this into a movie it would be a 1549 01:12:53,569 --> 01:12:50,739 cute little movie I mean whether it's 1550 01:12:56,729 --> 01:12:53,579 big-budget with a small budget whatever 1551 01:12:58,979 --> 01:12:56,739 that was the whole intention of it to 1552 01:13:00,919 --> 01:12:58,989 begin with so hopefully I'll get to that 1553 01:13:03,779 --> 01:13:00,929 point sooner or later I mean I am a 1554 01:13:06,149 --> 01:13:03,789 Pittsburgh making a television show on 1555 01:13:08,910 --> 01:13:06,159 antique cars so hope so hopefully 1556 01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:08,920 through my contacts will pick up 1557 01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:10,570 somebody sooner or later that wants to 1558 01:13:20,580 --> 01:13:13,690 do it any ideas for the pretty reporter 1559 01:13:22,319 --> 01:13:20,590 oh yeah hey Hailee Steinfeld she would 1560 01:13:24,689 --> 01:13:22,329 be the perfect person to play oh I'm 1561 01:13:27,330 --> 01:13:24,699 already got a kid lined up I've already 1562 01:13:29,850 --> 01:13:27,340 got a screenplay written I've already 1563 01:13:31,770 --> 01:13:29,860 got storyboards put together I'm ready 1564 01:13:34,649 --> 01:13:31,780 when somebody wants to lose look I'd 1565 01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:34,659 like to discuss your novel for a motion 1566 01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:37,210 picture I'm ready to go I have a whole 1567 01:13:40,670 --> 01:13:38,370 presentation 1568 01:13:42,860 --> 01:13:40,680 I think we also understand here and 1569 01:13:45,860 --> 01:13:42,870 we're not criticizing it you do know 1570 01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:45,870 that when they buy the rights to a 1571 01:13:48,620 --> 01:13:46,770 motion picture 1572 01:13:52,010 --> 01:13:48,630 unless you have the world's greatest 1573 01:13:54,260 --> 01:13:52,020 agent and not even then you have no idea 1574 01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:54,270 how they'll treat it how seriously 1575 01:14:01,280 --> 01:13:57,210 they'll take it how the concept will 1576 01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:01,290 actually change in the course of making 1577 01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:02,610 the film they might take the loose 1578 01:14:06,730 --> 01:14:04,050 concept and do something totally 1579 01:14:09,290 --> 01:14:06,740 different I mean it's nice to have a 1580 01:14:10,910 --> 01:14:09,300 prebuilt cast and perhaps you can find 1581 01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:10,920 the right producer to work with you to 1582 01:14:13,910 --> 01:14:12,570 do the project but don't expect anything 1583 01:14:16,820 --> 01:14:13,920 I'll give you one example I don't want 1584 01:14:20,090 --> 01:14:16,830 to discourage you the author of a very 1585 01:14:23,810 --> 01:14:20,100 popular UFO book from around 1950 or so 1586 01:14:24,890 --> 01:14:23,820 he sold the book to Hollywood and he 1587 01:14:26,930 --> 01:14:24,900 thought well maybe they're gonna make a 1588 01:14:29,660 --> 01:14:26,940 documentary or anything he really didn't 1589 01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:29,670 keep touch with the producers because if 1590 01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:31,650 he did major Donald Kehoe would have 1591 01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:34,290 realized they were making earth vs. the 1592 01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:37,650 flying saucers which had great special 1593 01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:40,320 effects from the stop-motion animation 1594 01:14:45,380 --> 01:14:43,650 specialist Ray Harryhausen I thought was 1595 01:14:46,970 --> 01:14:45,390 a decent film with an abrupt ending 1596 01:14:50,450 --> 01:14:46,980 probably because they didn't have the 1597 01:14:52,430 --> 01:14:50,460 budget for a real ending but I think he 1598 01:14:55,850 --> 01:14:52,440 was embarrassed over what they did and 1599 01:14:57,440 --> 01:14:55,860 maybe he should have checked a little 1600 01:14:59,200 --> 01:14:57,450 bit more carefully but you understand 1601 01:15:01,540 --> 01:14:59,210 here when you sell it to Hollywood 1602 01:15:05,330 --> 01:15:01,550 they're gonna do whatever they want oh 1603 01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:05,340 yeah and of course I don't have to start 1604 01:15:10,190 --> 01:15:07,530 anybody I have there all the rights to 1605 01:15:12,230 --> 01:15:10,200 it and if they don't want to treat it 1606 01:15:14,780 --> 01:15:12,240 the way I want to treat it then it will 1607 01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:14,790 never get me well at least I think 1608 01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:17,520 that's you know at least showing that 1609 01:15:22,730 --> 01:15:19,410 you have principles there about how it 1610 01:15:25,340 --> 01:15:22,740 gets treated so that's encouraging all 1611 01:15:28,220 --> 01:15:25,350 right that'd be like maybe like somebody 1612 01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:28,230 willing to buy my wheels of the past 1613 01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:31,650 television show and do the episodes on 1614 01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:34,170 nothing but hot rod I wouldn't you know 1615 01:15:39,740 --> 01:15:36,570 that's that's not that's that's totally 1616 01:15:42,710 --> 01:15:39,750 against what I'm for with the whole 1617 01:15:45,980 --> 01:15:42,720 project so why would I why would I 1618 01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:45,990 concede something like that well I'm no 1619 01:15:52,309 --> 01:15:51,330 expert on hot rods vintage cars actually 1620 01:15:58,279 --> 01:15:52,319 I'd like 1621 01:16:00,829 --> 01:15:58,289 to get a restored Massa rx2 4-door with 1622 01:16:02,869 --> 01:16:00,839 a van Kalenjin in any case we'll 1623 01:16:05,539 --> 01:16:02,879 continue our discussion about traveler 1624 01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:05,549 and focus more on the reporter looking 1625 01:16:10,309 --> 01:16:08,159 into the case gets knee-deep into what's 1626 01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:10,319 going on and we'll cover that of course 1627 01:16:13,969 --> 01:16:12,449 you want to get the book which is what 1628 01:16:16,309 --> 01:16:13,979 he wants you to do and learn more about 1629 01:16:21,529 --> 01:16:16,319 it so the book again is called traveler 1630 01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:21,539 and it covers the 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co-author of AD after 1742 01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:01,500 disclosure and you are listening to the 1743 01:21:13,549 --> 01:21:03,650 para cast the gold standard of 1744 01:21:15,890 --> 01:21:13,559 paranormal radio okay we're doing the 1745 01:21:17,990 --> 01:21:15,900 syllable jumping there again everybody 1746 01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:18,000 as we continue with this episode the 1747 01:21:22,549 --> 01:21:20,010 power cast by the traveler so let's 1748 01:21:24,589 --> 01:21:22,559 focus more now on where we have the 1749 01:21:28,459 --> 01:21:24,599 fictional part and the reporter what 1750 01:21:30,979 --> 01:21:28,469 goes on there what does she do to prove 1751 01:21:34,010 --> 01:21:30,989 whether this was true or not well she's 1752 01:21:37,689 --> 01:21:34,020 a photographer they go over to Aurora 1753 01:21:40,910 --> 01:21:37,699 and they start digging around for facts 1754 01:21:44,540 --> 01:21:40,920 they start asking some of the Ancients 1755 01:21:47,450 --> 01:21:44,550 over there what they know about and and 1756 01:21:49,459 --> 01:21:47,460 she gets put off and sooner or later she 1757 01:21:52,609 --> 01:21:49,469 is tied up with two cousins that 1758 01:21:54,500 --> 01:21:52,619 discover they have a fragment of the 1759 01:21:58,189 --> 01:21:54,510 ship stolen by their great-grandfather 1760 01:22:00,890 --> 01:21:58,199 back today the incident happened the 1761 01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:00,900 game warden gets involved the local 1762 01:22:04,939 --> 01:22:03,210 sheriff gets involved they've been they 1763 01:22:07,609 --> 01:22:04,949 know all about it they've been trying to 1764 01:22:11,629 --> 01:22:07,619 keep it quiet for a decade and there's 1765 01:22:14,799 --> 01:22:11,639 an old 94 year old man that actually had 1766 01:22:17,149 --> 01:22:14,809 been sort of safeguarding the aliens 1767 01:22:20,750 --> 01:22:17,159 gravesite since he was a little boy 1768 01:22:24,709 --> 01:22:20,760 that's always in the end that they all 1769 01:22:27,580 --> 01:22:24,719 come together as a group to try to keep 1770 01:22:30,379 --> 01:22:27,590 the extra-terrestrial from falling into 1771 01:22:31,970 --> 01:22:30,389 harmful hands and that's sort of a 1772 01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:31,980 premise of the book it's very 1773 01:22:39,649 --> 01:22:34,320 entertaining it's very enlightening and 1774 01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:39,659 it pays homage to the actual 1897 crash 1775 01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:43,250 but with a twist that entertaining and 1776 01:22:48,319 --> 01:22:45,690 would make a great maybe some of these 1777 01:22:51,470 --> 01:22:48,329 days there are some illustrations in it 1778 01:22:53,589 --> 01:22:51,480 as well were any of these original or 1779 01:22:57,919 --> 01:22:53,599 were these ones that you picked up from 1780 01:23:00,020 --> 01:22:57,929 already done by someone else oh I was 1781 01:23:02,510 --> 01:23:00,030 very fortunate we had went down to 1782 01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:02,520 Kentucky to shoot an episode 1783 01:23:09,590 --> 01:23:06,930 Joe for Christine the 1958 Plymouth Fury 1784 01:23:11,540 --> 01:23:09,600 that was used in Christine good friend 1785 01:23:13,850 --> 01:23:11,550 of mine Florida had it on display down 1786 01:23:17,450 --> 01:23:13,860 Elizabethtown Kentucky while we were 1787 01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:17,460 there at the little Knight Rogers con I 1788 01:23:24,170 --> 01:23:21,570 ran into a illustrator named Eric d8 and 1789 01:23:26,750 --> 01:23:24,180 I asked him I said I'm writing a book 1790 01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:26,760 that's almost done I said and I need 1791 01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:28,890 some illustrations would you be 1792 01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:31,050 interested in doing it and he said yeah 1793 01:23:36,170 --> 01:23:34,560 so I sent him different chapters of the 1794 01:23:38,500 --> 01:23:36,180 book and told him sort of kind of what I 1795 01:23:41,810 --> 01:23:38,510 wanted and he made some fabulous 1796 01:23:45,140 --> 01:23:41,820 illustration one of my favorite is the 1797 01:23:47,180 --> 01:23:45,150 the crumpled spaceship is being dragged 1798 01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:47,190 through town with all the spectators 1799 01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:50,730 looking by two horses and two mules and 1800 01:23:57,350 --> 01:23:53,730 a horse-drawn cart drug through the 1801 01:24:00,500 --> 01:23:57,360 streets of Aurora and that just 1802 01:24:03,140 --> 01:24:00,510 symbolizes the entire event of how it 1803 01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:03,150 would unfolded back then that he did 1804 01:24:07,310 --> 01:24:05,730 illustrations of the alien displayed on 1805 01:24:10,910 --> 01:24:07,320 the boardwalk and a homemade coffin 1806 01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:10,920 beside the local doctor and two 1807 01:24:16,580 --> 01:24:13,770 prostitutes and the town sheriff I mean 1808 01:24:19,730 --> 01:24:16,590 that he sort of brought the story to 1809 01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:19,740 life in illustration yeah there's a 1810 01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:23,760 couple of motorcycle guys in here two 1811 01:24:27,410 --> 01:24:24,810 bikers 1812 01:24:30,260 --> 01:24:27,420 oh yeah the hero at the end of the story 1813 01:24:32,570 --> 01:24:30,270 is actually a motorcycle guy which is 1814 01:24:35,150 --> 01:24:32,580 based on the character of my co-author 1815 01:24:37,730 --> 01:24:35,160 it was very interesting how he came up 1816 01:24:40,430 --> 01:24:37,740 with the evening for the book but it 1817 01:24:43,130 --> 01:24:40,440 actually worked out really well that's 1818 01:24:44,780 --> 01:24:43,140 pretty cool it's it's always fun to get 1819 01:24:48,230 --> 01:24:44,790 a book it's got a few pictures in it as 1820 01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:48,240 well this would actually make a really 1821 01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:51,330 interesting graphic novel as well I mean 1822 01:24:56,480 --> 01:24:54,480 if it wasn't just a plain novel but that 1823 01:24:57,620 --> 01:24:56,490 would be kind of cool too I mean you 1824 01:25:02,930 --> 01:24:57,630 could go a number of different 1825 01:25:07,850 --> 01:25:02,940 directions with it really yeah I know 1826 01:25:09,650 --> 01:25:07,860 part of it if anybody out there was 1827 01:25:11,380 --> 01:25:09,660 interested in something like well I'll 1828 01:25:14,690 --> 01:25:11,390 be more than glad to talk to him so 1829 01:25:16,340 --> 01:25:14,700 going back to the UFO landing in the 1830 01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:16,350 parking lot 1831 01:25:20,450 --> 01:25:18,570 were you able to talk to anyone else who 1832 01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:20,460 actually saw the craft itself that had 1833 01:25:25,970 --> 01:25:23,370 been there or was it worried about it in 1834 01:25:29,300 --> 01:25:25,980 the paper or anything yes it was 1835 01:25:30,530 --> 01:25:29,310 reported in the local newspaper for like 1836 01:25:32,330 --> 01:25:30,540 two weeks in a row 1837 01:25:35,690 --> 01:25:32,340 no of course the newspaper came out 1838 01:25:37,310 --> 01:25:35,700 there once a week and and of course I 1839 01:25:40,490 --> 01:25:37,320 was a little kid at the time I was nine 1840 01:25:43,340 --> 01:25:40,500 years old so I didn't get to talk to 1841 01:25:47,060 --> 01:25:43,350 anybody else but I was there I was 1842 01:25:51,020 --> 01:25:47,070 actually there when all that took place 1843 01:25:54,860 --> 01:25:51,030 that very evening that very night so I 1844 01:25:59,390 --> 01:25:54,870 saw it and it was quite a fascinating 1845 01:26:02,750 --> 01:25:59,400 thing to witness my mom is like 85 years 1846 01:26:05,090 --> 01:26:02,760 old now and she would she wouldn't tell 1847 01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:05,100 a lie to save her soul but she will if 1848 01:26:10,130 --> 01:26:08,400 you ask her when the alien spaceship 1849 01:26:13,070 --> 01:26:10,140 landed at the parking lot of the 1850 01:26:15,140 --> 01:26:13,080 hospital she'll say oh yeah I was there 1851 01:26:17,690 --> 01:26:15,150 I remember that very clearly she 1852 01:26:20,330 --> 01:26:17,700 remembers it too so it was something 1853 01:26:22,190 --> 01:26:20,340 that I didn't read about it was 1854 01:26:22,460 --> 01:26:22,200 something that I saw with my own two 1855 01:26:25,610 --> 01:26:22,470 eyes 1856 01:26:27,740 --> 01:26:25,620 though I believe it you never actually 1857 01:26:30,440 --> 01:26:27,750 saw the craft but you saw the smoking 1858 01:26:32,810 --> 01:26:30,450 pavement is what you're saying and that 1859 01:26:35,060 --> 01:26:32,820 it was reported in the local paper I 1860 01:26:37,010 --> 01:26:35,070 wonder if they'd be able to go back into 1861 01:26:39,730 --> 01:26:37,020 their archives or if anyone could and 1862 01:26:44,210 --> 01:26:39,740 find that original article you know I 1863 01:26:46,340 --> 01:26:44,220 did the local library that has all the 1864 01:26:48,650 --> 01:26:46,350 archives for the newspaper when I was 1865 01:26:51,620 --> 01:26:48,660 writing my book and I tried to get them 1866 01:26:53,660 --> 01:26:51,630 to go back through and find that article 1867 01:26:55,610 --> 01:26:53,670 where I could put that in a little 1868 01:26:57,290 --> 01:26:55,620 segment of the book and I couldn't get 1869 01:26:59,840 --> 01:26:57,300 them to work with me of course I'm up in 1870 01:27:01,610 --> 01:26:59,850 Pennsylvania now so it's not like I 1871 01:27:03,950 --> 01:27:01,620 could just Breeze in the library and do 1872 01:27:07,330 --> 01:27:03,960 that but yes it was reported in the 1873 01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:07,340 local newspaper at the time the the 1874 01:27:14,570 --> 01:27:11,610 Atlanta television news had three 1875 01:27:17,930 --> 01:27:14,580 reporters from the from one of the 1876 01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:17,940 stations of the u.s. ABC had witnessed a 1877 01:27:24,890 --> 01:27:21,810 flying saucer and captured video of it 1878 01:27:27,980 --> 01:27:24,900 at the time so there was a hotbed of you 1879 01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:27,990 a UFO activity going on at that time oh 1880 01:27:32,690 --> 01:27:30,210 that's pretty interesting 1881 01:27:35,150 --> 01:27:32,700 it's funny how these cases pop up that 1882 01:27:36,980 --> 01:27:35,160 we ufologists haven't really heard of 1883 01:27:40,190 --> 01:27:36,990 that imagine around the countryside 1884 01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:40,200 there's probably more of them as well I 1885 01:27:45,290 --> 01:27:42,530 mean you'd think that with video and 1886 01:27:47,030 --> 01:27:45,300 newspaper reporting and a landing that 1887 01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:47,040 we would have heard more about this in 1888 01:27:50,780 --> 01:27:49,410 the literature so that's pretty 1889 01:27:53,630 --> 01:27:50,790 interesting that you can bring this up 1890 01:27:56,930 --> 01:27:53,640 for us well and - that was back way 1891 01:28:00,350 --> 01:27:56,940 before the internet so things new didn't 1892 01:28:02,570 --> 01:28:00,360 travel like it does today and video 1893 01:28:05,540 --> 01:28:02,580 did you know didn't get around like it 1894 01:28:11,090 --> 01:28:05,550 does but it was it was quite popular at 1895 01:28:15,070 --> 01:28:11,100 the time in 1974 was sort of like 1896 1896 01:28:18,710 --> 01:28:15,080 1897 it was a hotbed of time for UFO 1897 01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:18,720 occurrences not just in Georgia but all 1898 01:28:25,670 --> 01:28:20,970 throughout the country oh yeah the mid 1899 01:28:29,780 --> 01:28:25,680 70s was definitely active time that's 1900 01:28:33,440 --> 01:28:29,790 when I saw a mine was mid 70s so you 1901 01:28:34,580 --> 01:28:33,450 know I'm a fellow believer in the UFO 1902 01:28:36,830 --> 01:28:34,590 phenomenon I think we're definitely 1903 01:28:39,050 --> 01:28:36,840 being visited by aliens or at least 1904 01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:39,060 alien craft I'm not sure about the whole 1905 01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:41,610 abduction thing what do you think of 1906 01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:44,370 that I've never got into that I've never 1907 01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:47,970 experienced that don't want to I don't 1908 01:28:51,890 --> 01:28:50,010 know where they all that you know I mean 1909 01:28:53,510 --> 01:28:51,900 a lot of these people pour their heart 1910 01:28:55,850 --> 01:28:53,520 and soul out to say that they've been 1911 01:28:57,740 --> 01:28:55,860 abducted and maybe they have maybe they 1912 01:28:59,780 --> 01:28:57,750 had I don't know I'm not going to judge 1913 01:29:03,050 --> 01:28:59,790 because I don't know anything about that 1914 01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:03,060 haven't done any research on it and I'm 1915 01:29:09,980 --> 01:29:06,330 just not educated with have you been 1916 01:29:13,790 --> 01:29:09,990 following any of the story with the USS 1917 01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:13,800 Nimitz carrier group pilot intercept 1918 01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:16,170 story that that's come out 1919 01:29:22,250 --> 01:29:19,770 I have anything about a lot of people 1920 01:29:24,830 --> 01:29:22,260 asking about always event and I just 1921 01:29:26,810 --> 01:29:24,840 sort of focused on the one thing I was 1922 01:29:30,310 --> 01:29:26,820 interested in did a little research on 1923 01:29:34,130 --> 01:29:30,320 the UFOs between the Civil War and and 1924 01:29:35,480 --> 01:29:34,140 1900 and wrote my novel but now so what 1925 01:29:40,700 --> 01:29:35,490 what's the story there 1926 01:29:42,870 --> 01:29:40,710 oh that's happened in 2004 the USS 1927 01:29:44,670 --> 01:29:42,880 Nimitz in its carrier group or 1928 01:29:47,220 --> 01:29:44,680 off the coast of California doing a 1929 01:29:49,110 --> 01:29:47,230 training exercise and their radar 1930 01:29:53,100 --> 01:29:49,120 operators picked up what they're calling 1931 01:29:55,770 --> 01:29:53,110 a tic-tac UFO and they had some f-18s 1932 01:29:58,140 --> 01:29:55,780 that were aloft at the time and vectored 1933 01:30:01,350 --> 01:29:58,150 them in toward it and they had pilots 1934 01:30:03,660 --> 01:30:01,360 from actually from what I can tell so 1935 01:30:05,340 --> 01:30:03,670 far four aircraft all together - at 1936 01:30:07,980 --> 01:30:05,350 first and and then another flight went 1937 01:30:11,180 --> 01:30:07,990 out again after that and got video on 1938 01:30:14,820 --> 01:30:11,190 their forward-looking infrared radar and 1939 01:30:17,580 --> 01:30:14,830 the pilot David braver done a number of 1940 01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:17,590 interviews that you can download on the 1941 01:30:22,220 --> 01:30:19,930 YouTube if you want to and he seems very 1942 01:30:25,140 --> 01:30:22,230 credible and he saw it with his own eyes 1943 01:30:28,410 --> 01:30:25,150 let's do our break guys and we'll be 1944 01:30:39,219 --> 01:30:28,420 back with more with Kerri and Randall 1945 01:30:47,720 --> 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implications but other things I'm not 2042 01:35:16,609 --> 01:35:13,710 gonna ask you though for the spoiler 2043 01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:16,619 carry at the end of the book where it 2044 01:35:22,129 --> 01:35:18,690 all comes together I'll let you 2045 01:35:25,430 --> 01:35:22,139 hopefully get something when it comes to 2046 01:35:26,959 --> 01:35:25,440 getting that book right into a movie by 2047 01:35:29,660 --> 01:35:26,969 the way I'm looking here at the picture 2048 01:35:32,990 --> 01:35:29,670 here page 251 I asked you about this 2049 01:35:36,260 --> 01:35:33,000 before a photo of someone who looks like 2050 01:35:39,169 --> 01:35:36,270 Bela Lugosi what's that about that is 2051 01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:39,179 Bela Lugosi Bella Lugosi is murder 2052 01:35:45,530 --> 01:35:43,170 Legionnaire from White Zombie 1932 and 2053 01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:45,540 the reason that's there is the biker 2054 01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:51,050 tunes he rides into space the day and he 2055 01:35:58,339 --> 01:35:54,050 he's got to rescue this little alien 2056 01:36:00,890 --> 01:35:58,349 that's been caught this 100 years old 2057 01:36:02,209 --> 01:36:00,900 they gotta get him out of town so they 2058 01:36:04,970 --> 01:36:02,219 want to put him on the back of the body 2059 01:36:07,700 --> 01:36:04,980 but they they need to put him in sort of 2060 01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:07,710 a custody so he asked a little boy so if 2061 01:36:11,419 --> 01:36:09,570 you have a black t-shirt I can borrow 2062 01:36:13,939 --> 01:36:11,429 and he says yeah and he runs in this one 2063 01:36:16,280 --> 01:36:13,949 he comes back and it's that image of a 2064 01:36:18,049 --> 01:36:16,290 little ghosty on a black t-shirt from 2065 01:36:18,589 --> 01:36:18,059 white zombie and he says that'll do just 2066 01:36:21,470 --> 01:36:18,599 fine 2067 01:36:23,299 --> 01:36:21,480 so we decorated a little alien up and 2068 01:36:25,549 --> 01:36:23,309 they ride him out of town on the back of 2069 01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:25,559 one of their motor bikes right in front 2070 01:36:33,620 --> 01:36:30,290 of the FBI it's quite a unique ending it 2071 01:36:36,709 --> 01:36:33,630 unusual ending but it's very fitting 2072 01:36:40,220 --> 01:36:36,719 my co-author it was a big biker for 2073 01:36:42,530 --> 01:36:40,230 decades and he came up with the ending 2074 01:36:44,780 --> 01:36:42,540 when he first approached me with it I 2075 01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:44,790 just shook it off and then I thought 2076 01:36:48,049 --> 01:36:46,530 about it for a couple of days and I said 2077 01:36:52,100 --> 01:36:48,059 you know what that's the perfect ending 2078 01:36:55,970 --> 01:36:52,110 so but yeah that is Lugosi I'm a big fan 2079 01:36:59,839 --> 01:36:55,980 of Lugosi and Dracula and all his work 2080 01:37:05,770 --> 01:36:59,849 that he did and he was the unsung hero 2081 01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:05,780 of universal horror in the 1930s he 2082 01:37:11,110 --> 01:37:08,930 my deepest admiration well I used to 2083 01:37:13,990 --> 01:37:11,120 know the late Forrest J Ackerman before 2084 01:37:16,810 --> 01:37:14,000 he was late and he used to wear a ring 2085 01:37:20,290 --> 01:37:16,820 the Dracula ring that he got from Bella 2086 01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:20,300 Lucy before he died yeah okay yeah and 2087 01:37:24,670 --> 01:37:22,610 of course he had edited Famous Monsters 2088 01:37:25,090 --> 01:37:24,680 of Filmland so much about the horror 2089 01:37:27,220 --> 01:37:25,100 films 2090 01:37:29,890 --> 01:37:27,230 I'm just finding it interesting that you 2091 01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:29,900 incorporated it in this book so that's 2092 01:37:34,990 --> 01:37:32,570 kind of fascinating kind of a relic 2093 01:37:36,910 --> 01:37:35,000 there again there's lots of references 2094 01:37:41,110 --> 01:37:36,920 to the universal horror classics in the 2095 01:37:45,250 --> 01:37:41,120 book I was a huge fan of those I had 2096 01:37:47,020 --> 01:37:45,260 been all my life and so I incorporated a 2097 01:37:49,390 --> 01:37:47,030 little bit of that into the book and 2098 01:37:53,950 --> 01:37:49,400 yeah I know all about forests yeah 2099 01:37:57,850 --> 01:37:53,960 ammonia's huge collection of memorabilia 2100 01:38:01,330 --> 01:37:57,860 he had he was fun to talk to I met him a 2101 01:38:03,490 --> 01:38:01,340 few times and probably was responsible 2102 01:38:05,290 --> 01:38:03,500 for helping to persuade a lot of very 2103 01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:05,300 young people to become interested in 2104 01:38:11,980 --> 01:38:09,770 horror films novels and also science 2105 01:38:13,540 --> 01:38:11,990 fiction hey looking at some of the 2106 01:38:15,820 --> 01:38:13,550 illustrations here I just ran across 2107 01:38:21,300 --> 01:38:15,830 another one that's pretty cool looks 2108 01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:21,310 like about in 1972 oldsmobile 4-4-2 2109 01:38:25,420 --> 01:38:23,810 roughly which I happen to actually have 2110 01:38:27,370 --> 01:38:25,430 one of those in my garage and working on 2111 01:38:29,470 --> 01:38:27,380 yeah I'm having problem with the 2112 01:38:31,450 --> 01:38:29,480 electronic ignition on it though they 2113 01:38:34,840 --> 01:38:31,460 put one of those MSD ignition zhan it 2114 01:38:37,510 --> 01:38:34,850 and I think the thing is fried and I'm 2115 01:38:39,070 --> 01:38:37,520 just you know I have to get in there and 2116 01:38:42,910 --> 01:38:39,080 study it because I'm not really much of 2117 01:38:46,930 --> 01:38:42,920 a nuts and bolts person I can figure it 2118 01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:46,940 out when I have to but maybe put it back 2119 01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:49,130 to its old distributor electronic 2120 01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:51,050 ignition or what do you think I should 2121 01:38:54,550 --> 01:38:51,650 do with it 2122 01:38:58,360 --> 01:38:54,560 I raised a lot of antique cars in the 2123 01:39:00,910 --> 01:38:58,370 novel the the cousins that caused a lot 2124 01:39:03,790 --> 01:39:00,920 of trouble they got a 39 Ford just 2125 01:39:07,060 --> 01:39:03,800 continued so yeah I incorporated a lot 2126 01:39:08,770 --> 01:39:07,070 of antique cars in the novel because 2127 01:39:10,810 --> 01:39:08,780 that's what I mean as I'm in the antique 2128 01:39:13,780 --> 01:39:10,820 car business and I love to talk about 2129 01:39:16,060 --> 01:39:13,790 them the cousins that caused so much 2130 01:39:19,490 --> 01:39:16,070 trouble in the novel they have a 1939 2131 01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:19,500 Ford - in their barn and they drive 2132 01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:26,810 Oh 5050 something dot a 47 Dodge pickup 2133 01:39:34,670 --> 01:39:30,330 the custom the old man he drives a 1973 2134 01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:34,680 Ford Explorer pick the photographer that 2135 01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:37,050 takes the reporter around always he 2136 01:39:45,710 --> 01:39:42,290 drives like he said an old 70 olds 442 2137 01:39:47,570 --> 01:39:45,720 so yeah I incorporated quite a few 2138 01:39:50,570 --> 01:39:47,580 antique cars into the Volvo I thought 2139 01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:50,580 it'd make it cute you know what I really 2140 01:39:55,820 --> 01:39:53,610 love about the older cars is that they 2141 01:39:58,520 --> 01:39:55,830 weren't all with the bucket seats you 2142 01:40:02,090 --> 01:39:58,530 know once upon a time these cars were 2143 01:40:03,710 --> 01:40:02,100 like driving plush couch that you could 2144 01:40:06,650 --> 01:40:03,720 just sink right into you could have your 2145 01:40:10,190 --> 01:40:06,660 girlfriend up next to you and you know 2146 01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:10,200 it was just deluxe now you can get into 2147 01:40:14,870 --> 01:40:11,850 some of these newer vehicles yeah 2148 01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:14,880 they're pretty sharp techno wise but 2149 01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:17,760 you're got this gigantic console in the 2150 01:40:21,620 --> 01:40:19,530 Middle's you know stuck between you and 2151 01:40:24,770 --> 01:40:21,630 the driver and I don't know there's just 2152 01:40:27,440 --> 01:40:24,780 something cool about the old sort of 60s 2153 01:40:29,480 --> 01:40:27,450 70s cars and some of the luxury cars 2154 01:40:31,870 --> 01:40:29,490 back then that really it was more like 2155 01:40:34,550 --> 01:40:31,880 like I say like driving your couch oh 2156 01:40:36,020 --> 01:40:34,560 yeah and especially when you get back 2157 01:40:38,900 --> 01:40:36,030 into the 1930 2158 01:40:43,610 --> 01:40:38,910 I love the 30s vehicle and I love this 2159 01:40:46,430 --> 01:40:43,620 vehicle they're just timeless so my 2160 01:40:48,290 --> 01:40:46,440 first there's so much Headroom in them 2161 01:40:50,510 --> 01:40:48,300 you know there it doesn't feel like 2162 01:40:52,720 --> 01:40:50,520 you're sitting so much inside of a car 2163 01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:52,730 but like a little room almost you know 2164 01:40:57,500 --> 01:40:55,770 right what really got me hooked on 2165 01:41:03,440 --> 01:40:57,510 antique cars was a friend of mine had a 2166 01:41:04,850 --> 01:41:03,450 1939 Ford standard that was he his 2167 01:41:06,860 --> 01:41:04,860 father had gave it to him as a 2168 01:41:11,480 --> 01:41:06,870 graduation present from high school in 2169 01:41:14,180 --> 01:41:11,490 1978 it came out of a museum and when I 2170 01:41:16,370 --> 01:41:14,190 rode in that first time I was just 2171 01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:16,380 captivated it was like riding a time 2172 01:41:21,610 --> 01:41:19,170 machine and ever since then I've been 2173 01:41:24,710 --> 01:41:21,620 just fascinated with antique cars and 2174 01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:24,720 then for the beauty of them the way they 2175 01:41:29,690 --> 01:41:27,690 were made originally not modified not 2176 01:41:32,930 --> 01:41:29,700 jumped but the way they came off the 2177 01:41:37,310 --> 01:41:32,940 assembly line and so that's that's what 2178 01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:37,320 romi for for many decades to restore an 2179 01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:41,010 old horse and which is in the business 2180 01:41:46,850 --> 01:41:43,770 I'm still in today yeah that's pretty 2181 01:41:48,230 --> 01:41:46,860 cool I remember my dad I yeah I'm not 2182 01:41:51,830 --> 01:41:48,240 sure exactly what year this would have 2183 01:41:53,900 --> 01:41:51,840 been but it would have been Oh early 50s 2184 01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:53,910 I think he had one of those old woody 2185 01:42:01,070 --> 01:41:56,010 paneled station wagons you know with 2186 01:42:03,070 --> 01:42:01,080 actual wood that they stuck on yeah you 2187 01:42:05,930 --> 01:42:03,080 just don't see that anymore 2188 01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:05,940 was it a planet was it a forward what 2189 01:42:13,970 --> 01:42:10,410 was it I think it was a I think it was 2190 01:42:19,190 --> 01:42:13,980 yeah Plymouth yeah did a lot of that in 2191 01:42:23,930 --> 01:42:19,200 like 1949 1950 51 Ford did a lot of that 2192 01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:23,940 in 49 50 51 Chevrolet not so much but 2193 01:42:29,690 --> 01:42:27,210 Plymouth and Ford were a big for that 2194 01:42:31,820 --> 01:42:29,700 woodgrain on the side now one thing I 2195 01:42:34,490 --> 01:42:31,830 remember from the older cars is the fact 2196 01:42:37,250 --> 01:42:34,500 that the regular sedan a fairly large 2197 01:42:40,010 --> 01:42:37,260 one was a six seater because of the 2198 01:42:42,230 --> 01:42:40,020 front seats which were bench seats 2199 01:42:43,790 --> 01:42:42,240 rather than bucket seats bucket seats 2200 01:42:46,670 --> 01:42:43,800 within the province of only those 2201 01:42:48,230 --> 01:42:46,680 special sporty type vehicles not to say 2202 01:42:50,780 --> 01:42:48,240 that I didn't have bucket seats in any 2203 01:42:54,110 --> 01:42:50,790 of the cars I own I did I remember one 2204 01:42:57,440 --> 01:42:54,120 or two the head as I said traditional 2205 01:42:59,990 --> 01:42:57,450 bench seats the other thing about the 2206 01:43:02,900 --> 01:43:00,000 bench seats is they didn't hold you in 2207 01:43:05,270 --> 01:43:02,910 place so well if you try and do some 2208 01:43:06,740 --> 01:43:05,280 cornering but for normal driving I guess 2209 01:43:08,470 --> 01:43:06,750 it was more comfortable that way I 2210 01:43:12,140 --> 01:43:08,480 remember traveling around the country 2211 01:43:14,390 --> 01:43:12,150 with my old friend Jim Mosely and he had 2212 01:43:17,030 --> 01:43:14,400 this big old Pontiac that he got every 2213 01:43:20,300 --> 01:43:17,040 two years with all sorts of high mileage 2214 01:43:23,380 --> 01:43:20,310 on it anyway that's enough for cars this 2215 01:43:25,910 --> 01:43:23,390 is not the car show ladies and gentlemen 2216 01:43:27,740 --> 01:43:25,920 take it back this is not the car show 2217 01:43:30,410 --> 01:43:27,750 ladies and gentlemen that was the one on 2218 01:43:31,700 --> 01:43:30,420 PBS where they had two brothers and they 2219 01:43:34,540 --> 01:43:31,710 talked about cars and answer your 2220 01:43:36,860 --> 01:43:34,550 questions we're not doing that all right 2221 01:43:38,950 --> 01:43:36,870 we're not doing that well I'm gonna 2222 01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:38,960 spank Randall just a minute all right 2223 01:43:43,790 --> 01:43:41,850 well it was in the book what can I say 2224 01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:43,800 right well Kay so there was some local 2225 01:43:46,820 --> 01:43:45,930 color in the book that's fascinating but 2226 01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:46,830 we really want to know 2227 01:43:51,470 --> 01:43:48,690 whether there's really a body out there 2228 01:43:54,740 --> 01:43:51,480 now I was thinking here maybe what could 2229 01:43:57,380 --> 01:43:54,750 be done would be to do what Payton 2230 01:44:00,890 --> 01:43:57,390 Hughes tried to do back in the 1970s 2231 01:44:02,260 --> 01:44:00,900 which is to go back there and they'd 2232 01:44:05,210 --> 01:44:02,270 have to get permission from the local 2233 01:44:08,540 --> 01:44:05,220 cemetery or something make a concerted 2234 01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:08,550 effort once and for all forever to prove 2235 01:44:14,300 --> 01:44:11,250 whether or not something weird did land 2236 01:44:17,060 --> 01:44:14,310 in Aurora Texas is that even impossible 2237 01:44:18,470 --> 01:44:17,070 to do well you know I bet if you went 2238 01:44:20,990 --> 01:44:18,480 out there and offered on a million 2239 01:44:23,510 --> 01:44:21,000 dollars they probably work with you but 2240 01:44:25,940 --> 01:44:23,520 anything less than that they're not 2241 01:44:27,530 --> 01:44:25,950 going to they'll walk to then they're 2242 01:44:30,050 --> 01:44:27,540 afraid you're gonna dig up somebody's 2243 01:44:32,180 --> 01:44:30,060 grandma which I don't agree with at all 2244 01:44:34,910 --> 01:44:32,190 I think it would take a tremendous 2245 01:44:37,130 --> 01:44:34,920 amount of money in a town that's no 2246 01:44:40,100 --> 01:44:37,140 bigger than a shoebox to get them to 2247 01:44:42,530 --> 01:44:40,110 cooperate with you at all as far as 2248 01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:42,540 exhuming that body I mean you're gonna 2249 01:44:48,680 --> 01:44:45,290 have to also been a tremendous amount of 2250 01:44:51,490 --> 01:44:48,690 compensation to do that and nobody's 2251 01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:51,500 ever offered to do that before so I 2252 01:44:56,120 --> 01:44:54,210 beyond that no they're never gonna let 2253 01:44:57,020 --> 01:44:56,130 you go out there and start digging up 2254 01:44:59,180 --> 01:44:57,030 the cemetery 2255 01:45:01,280 --> 01:44:59,190 I suppose in large part to properly 2256 01:45:03,650 --> 01:45:01,290 correct it wouldn't be very likely that 2257 01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:03,660 anybody unless they're well-heeled 2258 01:45:08,210 --> 01:45:06,330 would want to buy up that property and 2259 01:45:09,890 --> 01:45:08,220 do with it as they will and make 2260 01:45:12,830 --> 01:45:09,900 arrangements for those who have bodies 2261 01:45:14,600 --> 01:45:12,840 buried in that cemetery and again Steven 2262 01:45:16,190 --> 01:45:14,610 Spielberg buys your film and wants to 2263 01:45:18,350 --> 01:45:16,200 spend a couple of million you know maybe 2264 01:45:27,529 --> 01:45:18,360 it'll work got more to come with gene 2265 01:45:27,539 --> 01:45:32,589 thank you for listening to GCN 2266 01:45:39,969 --> 01:45:38,020 visit GP and live.com today we also have 2267 01:45:43,389 --> 01:45:39,979 swag you know we have all these 2268 01:45:45,909 --> 01:45:43,399 exclusive para cast things that you can 2269 01:45:48,699 --> 01:45:45,919 buy we've got like I guess 60 or so 2270 01:45:52,299 --> 01:45:48,709 different items and entails t-shirts 2271 01:45:55,599 --> 01:45:52,309 sleeves for notebook computers iPad 2272 01:45:57,909 --> 01:45:55,609 cases mouse pads the para cast jumbo 2273 01:45:59,770 --> 01:45:57,919 tote bag all sorts of t-shirts and 2274 01:46:03,009 --> 01:45:59,780 jackets and stuff like that for 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three five eight hundred 2316 01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:45,730 [Applause] 2317 01:47:53,270 --> 01:47:49,130 welcome back to to the para cast the 2318 01:48:01,610 --> 01:47:53,280 gold standard of paranormal radio and 2319 01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:01,620 now here's Jane Steinberg so we continue 2320 01:48:07,310 --> 01:48:05,370 here more fun more excitement on the 2321 01:48:09,740 --> 01:48:07,320 para cast talking about the 2322 01:48:12,020 --> 01:48:09,750 possibilities of Aurora Texas I know 2323 01:48:14,030 --> 01:48:12,030 it's a very polarized discussion some 2324 01:48:16,850 --> 01:48:14,040 people think okay it was just a hoax 2325 01:48:19,010 --> 01:48:16,860 nothing possibly real about it others 2326 01:48:21,560 --> 01:48:19,020 think you know what maybe there was 2327 01:48:23,930 --> 01:48:21,570 something to it after all I don't know 2328 01:48:25,930 --> 01:48:23,940 fascinating isn't it we'll continue with 2329 01:48:29,690 --> 01:48:25,940 that getting back to our discussion 2330 01:48:31,610 --> 01:48:29,700 Kerry about UFOs in general you believe 2331 01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:31,620 their extraterrestrial do you think the 2332 01:48:35,660 --> 01:48:33,930 government has top-secret knowledge 2333 01:48:39,560 --> 01:48:35,670 about it and that things should be 2334 01:48:43,900 --> 01:48:39,570 disclosed oh I surely believe that out 2335 01:48:47,620 --> 01:48:43,910 of the Roswell crash the government that 2336 01:48:51,710 --> 01:48:47,630 technology from the wreckage that led to 2337 01:48:56,150 --> 01:48:51,720 fiber optics led to Kevlar led to 2338 01:49:01,220 --> 01:48:56,160 night-vision led to hundreds discoveries 2339 01:49:03,410 --> 01:49:01,230 that were reinventing from the wreckage 2340 01:49:05,930 --> 01:49:03,420 of the Roswell crash that's another 2341 01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:05,940 reason that they're so interested in 2342 01:49:13,970 --> 01:49:09,410 getting to these sites and getting the 2343 01:49:17,510 --> 01:49:13,980 getting these these crashed UFOs because 2344 01:49:19,640 --> 01:49:17,520 the technology is so much more intent 2345 01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:19,650 and they want to use it for their own 2346 01:49:25,190 --> 01:49:21,650 benefit you know there was actually a 2347 01:49:28,550 --> 01:49:25,200 UFO crash not so long ago down in Mexico 2348 01:49:32,120 --> 01:49:28,560 and the Mexican government was going out 2349 01:49:34,430 --> 01:49:32,130 and retrieved the UFO and the US I 2350 01:49:36,440 --> 01:49:34,440 almost you ever heard of that I read 2351 01:49:37,910 --> 01:49:36,450 about it here not too long ago I thought 2352 01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:37,920 it was fascinating but I absolutely 2353 01:49:43,820 --> 01:49:41,010 probably believe it's true so the u.s. 2354 01:49:45,350 --> 01:49:43,830 the u.s. called the Mexican government 2355 01:49:47,780 --> 01:49:45,360 said no no we're trying to get it 2356 01:49:50,780 --> 01:49:47,790 they're Mexican there must have no we 2357 01:49:54,530 --> 01:49:50,790 got this camel well the u.s. went anyway 2358 01:49:56,810 --> 01:49:54,540 well mysteriously and all the the 2359 01:49:58,430 --> 01:49:56,820 Mexican government went out there found 2360 01:50:00,800 --> 01:49:58,440 the craft load 2361 01:50:03,650 --> 01:50:00,810 our truck and we're bringing it back to 2362 01:50:06,500 --> 01:50:03,660 wherever well the u.s. dropped in on 2363 01:50:11,450 --> 01:50:06,510 them and discovered all the Mexican 2364 01:50:13,670 --> 01:50:11,460 soldiers dead and the craft gone so you 2365 01:50:15,229 --> 01:50:13,680 know what really happened was the United 2366 01:50:17,900 --> 01:50:15,239 States government went in there 2367 01:50:21,200 --> 01:50:17,910 they slaughtered all those Mexicans and 2368 01:50:24,470 --> 01:50:21,210 they took the craft because they wanted 2369 01:50:27,320 --> 01:50:24,480 it and our US government is ruthless and 2370 01:50:28,970 --> 01:50:27,330 I to do that kind of thing I know I've 2371 01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:28,980 been involved with them before they're 2372 01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:31,770 ruthless and they don't care how many 2373 01:50:35,330 --> 01:50:34,410 lives they destroy as long as they get 2374 01:50:39,890 --> 01:50:35,340 what they want 2375 01:50:42,290 --> 01:50:39,900 so yeah knowledge is power and the power 2376 01:50:44,930 --> 01:50:42,300 from what they gain from those crashed 2377 01:50:47,570 --> 01:50:44,940 alien ship it's worth billions of 2378 01:50:50,689 --> 01:50:47,580 dollars and they're not gonna let that 2379 01:50:52,630 --> 01:50:50,699 go is that the Chihuahua UFO crash 2380 01:50:56,959 --> 01:50:52,640 you're talking about Mexico is Roswell 2381 01:50:59,120 --> 01:50:56,969 back in nowhere and no this was later 2382 01:51:01,280 --> 01:50:59,130 this was in the 2000 this was just a few 2383 01:51:04,130 --> 01:51:01,290 years ago yeah when they're all kind of 2384 01:51:06,740 --> 01:51:04,140 hush-hush but I read an article not too 2385 01:51:10,580 --> 01:51:06,750 long do enough yep then they killed all 2386 01:51:12,709 --> 01:51:10,590 the Mexicans my stove it does I want to 2387 01:51:15,470 --> 01:51:12,719 go back here about you feeling about 2388 01:51:18,590 --> 01:51:15,480 alien technology kind of mirrors what 2389 01:51:22,040 --> 01:51:18,600 was said in the book day after Roswell 2390 01:51:24,170 --> 01:51:22,050 by Philip Corso and bill burns and that 2391 01:51:27,080 --> 01:51:24,180 is here if you look at the history of 2392 01:51:30,340 --> 01:51:27,090 night-vision goggles that goes back to 2393 01:51:32,600 --> 01:51:30,350 Germany in the 1930s so I don't know how 2394 01:51:35,750 --> 01:51:32,610 possibly would have anything to do with 2395 01:51:39,979 --> 01:51:35,760 a UFO the crash of Roswell the second 2396 01:51:44,180 --> 01:51:39,989 thing that concerns me here is that even 2397 01:51:46,010 --> 01:51:44,190 if we recovered a spaceship something 2398 01:51:48,830 --> 01:51:46,020 like possibly can travel here from 2399 01:51:51,910 --> 01:51:48,840 another star system I think that we 2400 01:51:55,100 --> 01:51:51,920 would have one heck of a problem 2401 01:51:56,840 --> 01:51:55,110 decoding its technology and coming up 2402 01:51:59,000 --> 01:51:56,850 with stuff that is just barely an 2403 01:52:02,479 --> 01:51:59,010 extension of what we have here there are 2404 01:52:04,580 --> 01:52:02,489 histories of all this technology there 2405 01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:04,590 are histories of all this technology 2406 01:52:10,610 --> 01:52:07,650 that you can look up that point out that 2407 01:52:11,660 --> 01:52:10,620 our scientists and engineers develop 2408 01:52:14,750 --> 01:52:11,670 these things 2409 01:52:17,260 --> 01:52:14,760 so how can we say it's reverse 2410 01:52:21,399 --> 01:52:17,270 engineered alien technology I wonder oh 2411 01:52:24,640 --> 01:52:21,409 you know Roswell wasn't the first crash 2412 01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:24,650 there have been crashes all throughout 2413 01:52:33,020 --> 01:52:30,210 history the art of levitation that built 2414 01:52:36,439 --> 01:52:33,030 a lot of these huge monuments around the 2415 01:52:39,770 --> 01:52:36,449 country including chichen itza down in 2416 01:52:42,620 --> 01:52:39,780 mexico and the pyramid is a lost art 2417 01:52:45,169 --> 01:52:42,630 from the aliens that we don't even know 2418 01:52:47,689 --> 01:52:45,179 how to do anymore because they they 2419 01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:47,699 levitated these they made weight with 2420 01:52:54,290 --> 01:52:50,730 these tongues you know hundreds of 2421 01:52:56,899 --> 01:52:54,300 thousands of ton stone pieces to put 2422 01:52:59,240 --> 01:52:56,909 them into place there's no way even with 2423 01:53:02,030 --> 01:52:59,250 these technology there's no way we could 2424 01:53:05,390 --> 01:53:02,040 have put those in place so you know 2425 01:53:09,410 --> 01:53:05,400 right Roswell wasn't the first crash to 2426 01:53:11,090 --> 01:53:09,420 where they harvested information in 1941 2427 01:53:13,729 --> 01:53:11,100 there was another crash that they 2428 01:53:17,689 --> 01:53:13,739 harvested information from and even some 2429 01:53:22,330 --> 01:53:17,699 in the 30 so Roswell just happened to be 2430 01:53:24,680 --> 01:53:22,340 a hotbed of information from what they 2431 01:53:28,810 --> 01:53:24,690 okay so you believe there was a UFO 2432 01:53:32,030 --> 01:53:28,820 crash at Aztec New Mexico in 1948 2433 01:53:35,990 --> 01:53:32,040 possibly there was another one in the 2434 01:53:39,560 --> 01:53:36,000 u.s. I think in Missouri in 1941 where 2435 01:53:43,729 --> 01:53:39,570 they got a lot of technology from it was 2436 01:53:47,320 --> 01:53:43,739 actually rumored that part of the of the 2437 01:53:51,830 --> 01:53:47,330 World War two bomb that they made to 2438 01:53:55,189 --> 01:53:51,840 stop the war came from that you know 2439 01:53:56,840 --> 01:53:55,199 that crash I forget the name of it I 2440 01:54:04,910 --> 01:53:56,850 don't have all my research in front of 2441 01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:04,920 me but a treatment got a lot of the info 2442 01:54:10,189 --> 01:54:07,530 from that how do you know that that's 2443 01:54:11,810 --> 01:54:10,199 nothing that's ever been confirmed no 2444 01:54:14,359 --> 01:54:11,820 it's not confirmed but I've just read 2445 01:54:19,070 --> 01:54:14,369 articles and I've read documentaries and 2446 01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:19,080 I've read people's theories on it so you 2447 01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:24,330 know believe I just when the back line 2448 01:54:28,130 --> 01:54:25,370 up I just 2449 01:54:31,130 --> 01:54:28,140 value right but you know there are lots 2450 01:54:32,930 --> 01:54:31,140 of stories and rumors online I'll tell 2451 01:54:35,510 --> 01:54:32,940 you I've read a few about me one saying 2452 01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:35,520 my wife doesn't exist another saying my 2453 01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:37,290 dog doesn't exist and of course as far 2454 01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:38,850 as the dog is concerned you've heard him 2455 01:54:42,830 --> 01:54:40,890 so you know he exists or at least 2456 01:54:45,590 --> 01:54:42,840 something is barking maybe it's me my 2457 01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:45,600 secret identity i bark like a dog 2458 01:54:51,080 --> 01:54:48,210 I'm a ventriloquist who barks like a dog 2459 01:54:52,640 --> 01:54:51,090 and talks at the same time now that may 2460 01:54:55,010 --> 01:54:52,650 be part of it right there but what I'm 2461 01:54:57,500 --> 01:54:55,020 saying here is one thing we've learned 2462 01:55:01,030 --> 01:54:57,510 in the UFO field and certainly Randall's 2463 01:55:06,860 --> 01:55:01,040 been around quite a few years himself is 2464 01:55:09,620 --> 01:55:06,870 not to attempt to accept everything it's 2465 01:55:11,630 --> 01:55:09,630 out there and because you read it from 2466 01:55:15,020 --> 01:55:11,640 somewhere doesn't mean it's true 2467 01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:15,030 in fact Kevin Randall one of the people 2468 01:55:20,959 --> 01:55:18,570 who has have been analyzing the Roswell 2469 01:55:23,030 --> 01:55:20,969 case he's been doing it for 30 years and 2470 01:55:26,479 --> 01:55:23,040 he came out with a book called Roswell 2471 01:55:28,490 --> 01:55:26,489 in the 21st century and he finds out 2472 01:55:31,910 --> 01:55:28,500 that alive the early stories about 2473 01:55:33,680 --> 01:55:31,920 Roswell don't stand up to scrutiny and 2474 01:55:36,130 --> 01:55:33,690 part of the problem is of course you're 2475 01:55:40,130 --> 01:55:36,140 talking about something that happened in 2476 01:55:41,500 --> 01:55:40,140 1947 except for maybe a mention or two 2477 01:55:43,610 --> 01:55:41,510 in a book I think Frank Edwards 2478 01:55:48,650 --> 01:55:43,620 mentioned it in one of his books in the 2479 01:55:52,490 --> 01:55:48,660 60s it wasn't rediscovered until the 2480 01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:52,500 late 1970s as a result of which the 2481 01:55:57,979 --> 01:55:54,570 memories of people as to what happened 2482 01:56:00,530 --> 01:55:57,989 was probably not very good and they got 2483 01:56:02,750 --> 01:56:00,540 all sorts of stories and of course they 2484 01:56:05,150 --> 01:56:02,760 did their revel best to authenticate 2485 01:56:09,260 --> 01:56:05,160 those stories such as whether or not 2486 01:56:12,260 --> 01:56:09,270 bodies were recovered at Roswell ends up 2487 01:56:14,990 --> 01:56:12,270 here that it's very possible that all 2488 01:56:17,060 --> 01:56:15,000 those stories of Roswell and the bodies 2489 01:56:20,300 --> 01:56:17,070 don't hold up doesn't mean that nothing 2490 01:56:22,280 --> 01:56:20,310 happened at Roswell but Kevin Randle who 2491 01:56:24,650 --> 01:56:22,290 has been doing something called chasing 2492 01:56:29,270 --> 01:56:24,660 footnotes in recent years where he goes 2493 01:56:31,939 --> 01:56:29,280 back and he attempts to look at the 2494 01:56:33,620 --> 01:56:31,949 story and see if they hold up he found 2495 01:56:35,300 --> 01:56:33,630 that a lot of the things that we assumed 2496 01:56:37,670 --> 01:56:35,310 about Roswell weren't true not that 2497 01:56:39,320 --> 01:56:37,680 something didn't happen there 2498 01:56:44,060 --> 01:56:39,330 but some of the people that may have 2499 01:56:46,700 --> 01:56:44,070 been accepted as authentic early on were 2500 01:56:48,830 --> 01:56:46,710 the kind of people told stories and the 2501 01:56:52,430 --> 01:56:48,840 stories got better and better over the 2502 01:56:54,590 --> 01:56:52,440 years as they do and therefore maybe 2503 01:56:58,130 --> 01:56:54,600 what we hear about Roswell wasn't quite 2504 01:57:00,880 --> 01:56:58,140 what you think it is and this may or may 2505 01:57:05,180 --> 01:57:00,890 not be true about some of these other 2506 01:57:06,950 --> 01:57:05,190 reports of UFO crashes in any case we're 2507 01:57:10,330 --> 01:57:06,960 having a really good time here talking 2508 01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:10,340 about antique cars antique UFO cases 2509 01:57:17,630 --> 01:57:15,450 with Kerry Trent Haggard and the book is 2510 01:57:21,590 --> 01:57:17,640 called traveller from flying dis Press 2511 01:57:23,510 --> 01:57:21,600 that of course is one the only Philip 2512 01:57:25,730 --> 01:57:23,520 mantel is the publisher more to come 2513 01:57:27,790 --> 01:57:25,740 with Jeanne and Randall you're in the 2514 01:57:33,420 --> 01:57:27,800 para cast 2515 01:57:38,610 --> 01:57:36,590 [Music] 2516 01:57:40,560 --> 01:57:38,620 attack of the rock ODEs 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they get fragments of them 2627 02:02:30,840 --> 02:02:25,870 get forgotten so the stories get 2628 02:02:33,540 --> 02:02:30,850 distorted the battery is it happened a 2629 02:02:36,180 --> 02:02:33,550 long time ago and nobody's absolutely 2630 02:02:39,630 --> 02:02:36,190 sure what happened where but there is 2631 02:02:42,270 --> 02:02:39,640 some truth to it whether it's roar or 2632 02:02:47,100 --> 02:02:42,280 whether it's Roswell I believe the 2633 02:02:49,230 --> 02:02:47,110 events did happen in some form but as to 2634 02:02:52,350 --> 02:02:49,240 the exact form we may never know exactly 2635 02:02:55,110 --> 02:02:52,360 what the truth is well to be fair to I 2636 02:02:57,300 --> 02:02:55,120 mean this was a case that that just 2637 02:03:00,000 --> 02:02:57,310 grabbed your interest you were never a 2638 02:03:01,700 --> 02:03:00,010 ufologist before that you had some 2639 02:03:06,080 --> 02:03:01,710 interest in UFOs but you didn't really 2640 02:03:08,460 --> 02:03:06,090 study the subject from what I can tell 2641 02:03:11,940 --> 02:03:08,470 like the rest of us like I don't think 2642 02:03:13,590 --> 02:03:11,950 you'd call yourself a ufologist so you 2643 02:03:15,450 --> 02:03:13,600 know a lot of what you're saying a lot 2644 02:03:18,120 --> 02:03:15,460 of other people also tend to believe 2645 02:03:20,880 --> 02:03:18,130 because it's just part of what's out 2646 02:03:22,380 --> 02:03:20,890 there and you follow to dogma and unless 2647 02:03:25,290 --> 02:03:22,390 you really get into studying it like 2648 02:03:28,710 --> 02:03:25,300 gene and myself and other people who 2649 02:03:30,900 --> 02:03:28,720 have taken the time to dig into the box 2650 02:03:33,720 --> 02:03:30,910 and try to separate the signal from the 2651 02:03:36,690 --> 02:03:33,730 noise I mean we hear the same things and 2652 02:03:38,100 --> 02:03:36,700 they hear the same things and so what 2653 02:03:42,230 --> 02:03:38,110 I'm thinking is that the book just 2654 02:03:43,350 --> 02:03:42,240 represents a really interesting sort of 2655 02:03:45,660 --> 02:03:43,360 story 2656 02:03:47,880 --> 02:03:45,670 it's a it's docu fiction it's made for 2657 02:03:52,590 --> 02:03:47,890 entertainment and it's based on some 2658 02:03:54,240 --> 02:03:52,600 some local urban legends which do exist 2659 02:03:55,590 --> 02:03:54,250 the legend certainly exists I don't 2660 02:03:57,510 --> 02:03:55,600 think that we can deny that and there's 2661 02:03:59,649 --> 02:03:57,520 some interesting circumstantial bits 2662 02:04:07,189 --> 02:03:59,659 around it so 2663 02:04:11,229 --> 02:04:07,199 sounds good to me yeah yeah no it's it's 2664 02:04:16,520 --> 02:04:11,239 all part of our history you know history 2665 02:04:18,979 --> 02:04:16,530 history is what it is it gets reported 2666 02:04:24,220 --> 02:04:18,989 it gets exaggerated it gets down 2667 02:04:26,720 --> 02:04:24,230 employee gets covered up but we just 2668 02:04:29,959 --> 02:04:26,730 believe what we want to believe of it 2669 02:04:32,060 --> 02:04:29,969 and believe what we were told 2670 02:04:34,339 --> 02:04:32,070 well you're not claiming that it's that 2671 02:04:38,229 --> 02:04:34,349 it that this is history in an academic 2672 02:04:41,350 --> 02:04:38,239 sense this is a story from a town that 2673 02:04:44,540 --> 02:04:41,360 you're familiar with that you were 2674 02:04:47,529 --> 02:04:44,550 caught up in the folklore of and created 2675 02:04:50,930 --> 02:04:47,539 a dock you fiction a novel about it so 2676 02:04:53,240 --> 02:04:50,940 you know at least you're not like gene 2677 02:04:55,040 --> 02:04:53,250 mentioned Corso and if you're not really 2678 02:04:57,890 --> 02:04:55,050 familiar with that he actually made 2679 02:05:00,560 --> 02:04:57,900 certain claims and he believed are 2680 02:05:02,359 --> 02:05:00,570 absolutely true in the book that I think 2681 02:05:04,729 --> 02:05:02,369 I've actually misled a lot of people in 2682 02:05:07,790 --> 02:05:04,739 terms of some of the things you were 2683 02:05:12,560 --> 02:05:07,800 talking about too and you know I think 2684 02:05:14,390 --> 02:05:12,570 that maybe you know if you if you're 2685 02:05:15,649 --> 02:05:14,400 interested in that you should maybe take 2686 02:05:18,140 --> 02:05:15,659 a little bit deeper into some of that 2687 02:05:21,020 --> 02:05:18,150 because a lot of them are just simply 2688 02:05:34,189 --> 02:05:21,030 they don't stand up under investigation 2689 02:05:37,399 --> 02:05:34,199 at all right no I enjoy what I'm doing 2690 02:05:41,330 --> 02:05:37,409 now I am going to the big new song 2691 02:05:43,580 --> 02:05:41,340 conference later in July just about a 2692 02:05:46,939 --> 02:05:43,590 month from now and I've got a book 2693 02:05:49,279 --> 02:05:46,949 signing there in Cherry Hill New Jersey 2694 02:05:51,529 --> 02:05:49,289 so I'm looking very forward to that 2695 02:05:55,310 --> 02:05:51,539 well actually looks like fun I have 2696 02:05:57,770 --> 02:05:55,320 never been to a MUFON invention I've 2697 02:06:00,290 --> 02:05:57,780 gone to UFO conventions and I even ran 2698 02:06:04,449 --> 02:06:00,300 my own years ago in the seventies and I 2699 02:06:06,640 --> 02:06:04,459 think I'm kind of convention out 2700 02:06:08,729 --> 02:06:06,650 so you think this is your it for your 2701 02:06:11,890 --> 02:06:08,739 participation in the UFO field or what 2702 02:06:14,350 --> 02:06:11,900 well until I until somebody comes along 2703 02:06:17,819 --> 02:06:14,360 that somebody comes along that's 2704 02:06:22,770 --> 02:06:17,829 interested in making my novel into a 2705 02:06:26,890 --> 02:06:22,780 motion picture or very least a 2706 02:06:30,040 --> 02:06:26,900 made-for-television event yeah this is 2707 02:06:33,969 --> 02:06:30,050 about my participation in the UFO field 2708 02:06:36,939 --> 02:06:33,979 I'm doing some book signings I'm doing 2709 02:06:40,270 --> 02:06:36,949 one in Cherry Hill New Jersey next month 2710 02:06:42,549 --> 02:06:40,280 that I'm looking very forward to I've 2711 02:06:44,290 --> 02:06:42,559 got another one in Pittsburgh in October 2712 02:06:48,580 --> 02:06:44,300 I've got another one in Philadelphia in 2713 02:06:52,479 --> 02:06:48,590 October misalign conferences and maybe a 2714 02:06:55,810 --> 02:06:52,489 few scheduled speaking events for next 2715 02:06:57,520 --> 02:06:55,820 year or maybe MUFON crews that they're 2716 02:06:59,770 --> 02:06:57,530 doing next year they've asked me to be a 2717 02:07:02,679 --> 02:06:59,780 speaker so I'm looking forward to stuff 2718 02:07:06,969 --> 02:07:02,689 like that but that's about my speed I'm 2719 02:07:09,489 --> 02:07:06,979 trying to do this we just brought a four 2720 02:07:11,649 --> 02:07:09,499 acre facility in Butler Pennsylvania and 2721 02:07:14,560 --> 02:07:11,659 so we're putting together our antique 2722 02:07:17,350 --> 02:07:14,570 car restoration Center and home base for 2723 02:07:21,129 --> 02:07:17,360 our television shows so I'm gonna be 2724 02:07:23,020 --> 02:07:21,139 covered up with that so but you know I'm 2725 02:07:25,540 --> 02:07:23,030 definitely want to put as much attention 2726 02:07:27,759 --> 02:07:25,550 to the book as I can I want to make it 2727 02:07:30,279 --> 02:07:27,769 good and I would love to make it into a 2728 02:07:32,890 --> 02:07:30,289 movie sooner or later but there's 2729 02:07:36,160 --> 02:07:32,900 probably been worse UFO movies out there 2730 02:07:37,449 --> 02:07:36,170 I'm sure so then again there are some 2731 02:07:39,189 --> 02:07:37,459 pretty good science fiction movies I 2732 02:07:43,209 --> 02:07:39,199 think one of the best from the early 50s 2733 02:07:48,879 --> 02:07:43,219 was 1951 for Day the Earth Stood Still a 2734 02:07:51,069 --> 02:07:48,889 classic film yeah like the first attempt 2735 02:07:53,560 --> 02:07:51,079 to make an Aurora into the movie which 2736 02:08:01,169 --> 02:07:53,570 was just a total disaster in my opinion 2737 02:08:07,560 --> 02:08:01,179 I like your choice of characters I mean 2738 02:08:11,169 --> 02:08:07,570 Matthew McConaughey and the reporter oh 2739 02:08:14,020 --> 02:08:11,179 yeah oh they they do they'd be great I 2740 02:08:17,800 --> 02:08:14,030 actually seen a little presentation 2741 02:08:24,370 --> 02:08:22,060 publicist and said that the role of the 2742 02:08:26,980 --> 02:08:24,380 sheriff was actually wrote around his 2743 02:08:30,790 --> 02:08:26,990 character of course on everything bad 2744 02:08:32,200 --> 02:08:30,800 but you never know he's a better actor 2745 02:08:35,860 --> 02:08:32,210 than some people give him credit for I 2746 02:08:37,780 --> 02:08:35,870 saw him in it's a fairly serious movie 2747 02:08:40,300 --> 02:08:37,790 actually not too long ago unfortunately 2748 02:08:42,220 --> 02:08:40,310 I don't recall the name of it but he's 2749 02:08:43,360 --> 02:08:42,230 uh he's a pretty good actor and I think 2750 02:08:46,750 --> 02:08:43,370 you're right yeah he'd make a good 2751 02:08:50,110 --> 02:08:46,760 sheriff of course the thing to remember 2752 02:08:53,710 --> 02:08:50,120 is that Matthew McConaughey also won an 2753 02:08:56,080 --> 02:08:53,720 Oscar he has that kind of atmosphere 2754 02:08:56,530 --> 02:08:56,090 like the country sheriff or something 2755 02:09:01,120 --> 02:08:56,540 like that 2756 02:09:03,340 --> 02:09:01,130 I think the Aurora Aurora would be the 2757 02:09:05,200 --> 02:09:03,350 old-time country stress so he would he 2758 02:09:09,310 --> 02:09:05,210 would play that part just perfectly this 2759 02:09:11,530 --> 02:09:09,320 sort of kind of when I beheaded him 2760 02:09:15,310 --> 02:09:11,540 there see is the role model for that 2761 02:09:18,100 --> 02:09:15,320 character so yeah I'm very proud of the 2762 02:09:20,860 --> 02:09:18,110 novel and I hope it does well and I hope 2763 02:09:23,650 --> 02:09:20,870 that I gave it made into motion picture 2764 02:09:25,060 --> 02:09:23,660 one of these days well wish you good 2765 02:09:28,210 --> 02:09:25,070 luck I also hope that you get a 2766 02:09:30,040 --> 02:09:28,220 producing participation in there because 2767 02:09:32,230 --> 02:09:30,050 that way you'll have some control over 2768 02:09:35,320 --> 02:09:32,240 the way the project turns out as you 2769 02:09:37,240 --> 02:09:35,330 know as I said before we have to watch 2770 02:09:38,830 --> 02:09:37,250 out for Hollywood they do all sorts of 2771 02:09:43,330 --> 02:09:38,840 things we all know about Hollywood money 2772 02:09:47,020 --> 02:09:43,340 that's where a project is making lots 2773 02:09:49,870 --> 02:09:47,030 and lots of money but somehow the people 2774 02:09:52,240 --> 02:09:49,880 who are promised money on the back end 2775 02:09:54,130 --> 02:09:52,250 never ever get to see it we don't want 2776 02:09:55,720 --> 02:09:54,140 to see that so always get a good lawyer 2777 02:09:57,850 --> 02:09:55,730 find yourself a good entertainment 2778 02:10:01,180 --> 02:09:57,860 lawyer as I've been in occasionally 2779 02:10:03,550 --> 02:10:01,190 trying to sell a project to Hollywood 2780 02:10:06,340 --> 02:10:03,560 but I have a good lawyer who takes a 2781 02:10:07,930 --> 02:10:06,350 percentage that's the way to do it on 2782 02:10:10,180 --> 02:10:07,940 the other hand it doesn't guarantee that 2783 02:10:12,850 --> 02:10:10,190 the project will ever get sold but we're 2784 02:10:15,400 --> 02:10:12,860 still trying in never know we got more 2785 02:10:18,030 --> 02:10:15,410 to come with Cary Jean and Randle you're 2786 02:10:27,819 --> 02:10:18,040 in the para cap 2787 02:10:32,689 --> 02:10:27,829 [Music] 2788 02:10:36,819 --> 02:10:32,699 thank you for listening to GCS visit GCN 2789 02:10:40,910 --> 02:10:39,080 this is Dan pilla do you have the IRS 2790 02:10:42,890 --> 02:10:40,920 money you can't pay our tax debts 2791 02:10:45,169 --> 02:10:42,900 crippling you 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2889 02:15:41,360 --> 02:15:39,060 for the first atomic bomb actually wrote 2890 02:15:43,820 --> 02:15:41,370 in the seat of the car with them so what 2891 02:15:47,830 --> 02:15:43,830 we have a lot of interesting episodes 2892 02:15:52,400 --> 02:15:47,840 John Wayne last car Babe Ruth left our 2893 02:15:54,980 --> 02:15:52,410 Camaro number zero zero zero one well 2894 02:15:58,910 --> 02:15:54,990 that sounds like fun I never got super 2895 02:16:01,730 --> 02:15:58,920 super heavy into old cars so there you 2896 02:16:03,080 --> 02:16:01,740 go right I want to ask another thing 2897 02:16:05,150 --> 02:16:03,090 about your interest you're obviously 2898 02:16:07,790 --> 02:16:05,160 interested in the old horror films and 2899 02:16:11,540 --> 02:16:07,800 do you get much interest in sci-fi or 2900 02:16:13,730 --> 02:16:11,550 strictly the horror films I love all the 2901 02:16:16,460 --> 02:16:13,740 old sci-fi movies one of my favorites is 2902 02:16:19,490 --> 02:16:16,470 the Howard Hawks thing from another 2903 02:16:23,750 --> 02:16:19,500 world 1951 I make reference to that in a 2904 02:16:26,720 --> 02:16:23,760 novel now my true passion is the 2905 02:16:29,840 --> 02:16:26,730 universal horror classics from 1931 2906 02:16:32,629 --> 02:16:29,850 under 1948 the Frankenstein Dracula Wolf 2907 02:16:36,410 --> 02:16:32,639 Man Man The Invisible Man series I love 2908 02:16:39,020 --> 02:16:36,420 the old sci-fi stuff by I'm very 2909 02:16:42,850 --> 02:16:39,030 familiar with it came from another world 2910 02:16:45,020 --> 02:16:42,860 and uh what was the one you mentioned uh 2911 02:16:47,540 --> 02:16:45,030 the one the one you mentioned that 2912 02:16:49,070 --> 02:16:47,550 somebody made from a movie and I'm full 2913 02:16:50,959 --> 02:16:49,080 book into a movie and it didn't turn out 2914 02:16:56,540 --> 02:16:50,969 like he wanted that earth versus two 2915 02:16:58,790 --> 02:16:56,550 saucers earth versus two saucers yes 2916 02:17:01,759 --> 02:16:58,800 earth vs. the flying saucers that was 2917 02:17:05,299 --> 02:17:01,769 the one that was based on loosely based 2918 02:17:08,720 --> 02:17:05,309 on major Kehoe's book yeah I've I've 2919 02:17:10,430 --> 02:17:08,730 seen that and it it it's enjoyable it's 2920 02:17:13,669 --> 02:17:10,440 a little far-fetched but it's enjoyable 2921 02:17:15,470 --> 02:17:13,679 yeah I I loved all that stuff day I 2922 02:17:17,060 --> 02:17:15,480 loved the horror and the thigh five 2923 02:17:18,980 --> 02:17:17,070 which is one of the reasons I wrote my 2924 02:17:21,470 --> 02:17:18,990 novel I've always wanted to be a part of 2925 02:17:25,610 --> 02:17:21,480 that kind of thing so I put it together 2926 02:17:27,860 --> 02:17:25,620 just another little tidbit back to the 2927 02:17:32,570 --> 02:17:27,870 connection between cars and UFOs is that 2928 02:17:35,360 --> 02:17:32,580 back in 1977 I had a near collision with 2929 02:17:37,820 --> 02:17:35,370 an MIB mobile now I'm not sure if you 2930 02:17:41,080 --> 02:17:37,830 know what MIB are you know there's a 2931 02:17:45,440 --> 02:17:41,090 movie with Tommy Lee Jones and so on but 2932 02:17:47,839 --> 02:17:45,450 the MIB were travelling threes they 2933 02:17:50,720 --> 02:17:47,849 typically drove late-model cars and they 2934 02:17:53,180 --> 02:17:50,730 had an affinity for Cadillacs and so I 2935 02:17:57,169 --> 02:17:53,190 was trying to figure out you know which 2936 02:17:58,970 --> 02:17:57,179 Cadillac I'd seen so I went looking 2937 02:18:01,549 --> 02:17:58,980 through all the pictures I could find in 2938 02:18:03,500 --> 02:18:01,559 and they all have certain features on 2939 02:18:06,049 --> 02:18:03,510 them that identify them as being a 2940 02:18:08,750 --> 02:18:06,059 certain kind of car from a particular 2941 02:18:11,990 --> 02:18:08,760 year and it turned out that the one I 2942 02:18:13,220 --> 02:18:12,000 saw I had no idea before that that's it 2943 02:18:14,930 --> 02:18:13,230 you know I looked at it and that that's 2944 02:18:19,070 --> 02:18:14,940 the taillights that's what it looked 2945 02:18:23,390 --> 02:18:19,080 like 1959 special edition Eldorado 2946 02:18:27,070 --> 02:18:23,400 Brougham okay there was only 99 of those 2947 02:18:30,410 --> 02:18:27,080 ever made an acre they cost about 2948 02:18:32,120 --> 02:18:30,420 $13,000 in the day so do you ever get a 2949 02:18:35,470 --> 02:18:32,130 chance to work on anything like that any 2950 02:18:38,419 --> 02:18:35,480 of the old you know big luxo fifties 2951 02:18:40,400 --> 02:18:38,429 cars with the big fins I mean of course 2952 02:18:46,759 --> 02:18:40,410 Christine I mean there's one 2953 02:18:48,860 --> 02:18:46,769 oh yeah I I I built a 61 Starliner 61 2954 02:18:52,270 --> 02:18:48,870 forward Starliner in it had been I 2955 02:18:55,129 --> 02:18:52,280 worked on a couple of the old fan cars I 2956 02:18:58,009 --> 02:18:55,139 really enjoyed them friend of mine had a 2957 02:19:00,560 --> 02:18:58,019 little museum down in North Wilkesboro 2958 02:19:04,400 --> 02:19:00,570 North Carolina and he had several of the 2959 02:19:07,610 --> 02:19:04,410 fan Cadillac they were great cars they 2960 02:19:11,750 --> 02:19:07,620 they came and went pretty quickly fans 2961 02:19:14,959 --> 02:19:11,760 started in 1957 and by 51 they were gone 2962 02:19:18,169 --> 02:19:14,969 but it was a great time in automotive 2963 02:19:21,709 --> 02:19:18,179 history for sure yeah they were kind of 2964 02:19:23,389 --> 02:19:21,719 like a sort of a salute to the aircraft 2965 02:19:25,370 --> 02:19:23,399 in the jet age and they were trying to 2966 02:19:27,860 --> 02:19:25,380 make cars seem like spaceships and jets 2967 02:19:31,669 --> 02:19:27,870 in their own kind of way by putting 2968 02:19:33,620 --> 02:19:31,679 these fins in these these tape lights on 2969 02:19:36,830 --> 02:19:33,630 the back and they look like rocket 2970 02:19:38,330 --> 02:19:36,840 engines that's what very cool that's 2971 02:19:42,259 --> 02:19:38,340 where all yeah that's where all that 2972 02:19:46,910 --> 02:19:42,269 came from all the thin cars came from 2973 02:19:49,880 --> 02:19:46,920 this space-age jet age fascination with 2974 02:19:51,740 --> 02:19:49,890 jet planes and rockets and all this they 2975 02:19:53,420 --> 02:19:51,750 went to make the cars look like rocket 2976 02:19:56,719 --> 02:19:53,430 just and that's the whole reason that 2977 02:19:58,910 --> 02:19:56,729 things came into play and then of course 2978 02:20:00,620 --> 02:19:58,920 some years later I mean I remember a 2979 02:20:03,290 --> 02:20:00,630 Volkswagen commercial you may even 2980 02:20:05,990 --> 02:20:03,300 remember this gene they it was reverse 2981 02:20:07,969 --> 02:20:06,000 engineered from UFOs and it had the bug 2982 02:20:10,160 --> 02:20:07,979 and of course of the the thing is like a 2983 02:20:12,380 --> 02:20:10,170 perfect half circle if you start looking 2984 02:20:15,080 --> 02:20:12,390 at the way the drawings of her work so 2985 02:20:17,300 --> 02:20:15,090 there is this connection between space 2986 02:20:18,110 --> 02:20:17,310 and UFOs and automobiles it is actually 2987 02:20:19,850 --> 02:20:18,120 quite interesting 2988 02:20:22,429 --> 02:20:19,860 maybe you should sort of see if you can 2989 02:20:25,130 --> 02:20:22,439 fit that into your show now and then you 2990 02:20:26,210 --> 02:20:25,140 know just as a little aside somewhere 2991 02:20:30,200 --> 02:20:26,220 that could be kind of fun 2992 02:20:31,610 --> 02:20:30,210 oh yeah well that's what we're trying to 2993 02:20:34,070 --> 02:20:31,620 do we're trying to get this all put 2994 02:20:36,880 --> 02:20:34,080 together we we bought our facility to 2995 02:20:39,320 --> 02:20:36,890 make our home based and hopefully we'll 2996 02:20:42,860 --> 02:20:39,330 in a year from now we'll be up and 2997 02:20:46,010 --> 02:20:42,870 running in a good way that's encouraging 2998 02:20:47,780 --> 02:20:46,020 and promising good to hear that why to 2999 02:20:51,510 --> 02:20:47,790 ask you something else in a minute but 3000 02:20:54,660 --> 02:20:51,520 in the meantime while reminder listeners 3001 02:20:56,939 --> 02:20:54,670 that we have the power cast plus go to 3002 02:20:58,859 --> 02:20:56,949 plus stop the power cast come S Plus dot 3003 02:21:00,870 --> 02:20:58,869 the power cast com 3004 02:21:03,240 --> 02:21:00,880 what is it well it's an alternate 3005 02:21:04,979 --> 02:21:03,250 version of this radio show without the 3006 02:21:07,109 --> 02:21:04,989 network dance we also offer the after 3007 02:21:09,269 --> 02:21:07,119 the power cast podcast we've added 3008 02:21:11,130 --> 02:21:09,279 videos and other content there'll be 3009 02:21:14,550 --> 02:21:11,140 more improvements because we're working 3010 02:21:17,639 --> 02:21:14,560 to do some new things since our previous 3011 02:21:19,790 --> 02:21:17,649 co-host Chris O'Brien went on to other 3012 02:21:23,460 --> 02:21:19,800 passengers I hope they are greener and 3013 02:21:26,160 --> 02:21:23,470 therefore we are hoping of course to add 3014 02:21:28,250 --> 02:21:26,170 a lot of other features and we welcome 3015 02:21:31,290 --> 02:21:28,260 your suggestions if you're currently a 3016 02:21:33,000 --> 02:21:31,300 subscriber to the power cast plus and 3017 02:21:36,090 --> 02:21:33,010 you'd like to see a specific guests 3018 02:21:39,120 --> 02:21:36,100 their exclusive interviews new things 3019 02:21:42,630 --> 02:21:39,130 we're happy to hear you Plus that the 3020 02:21:44,569 --> 02:21:42,640 power cast com that's plus dot the para 3021 02:21:47,490 --> 02:21:44,579 cast com 3022 02:21:49,410 --> 02:21:47,500 so one might ask you one more question 3023 02:21:53,010 --> 02:21:49,420 Carrie before we go on to the next 3024 02:21:56,519 --> 02:21:53,020 segment back to the UFO world again and 3025 02:22:01,380 --> 02:21:56,529 that is do you think there'll ever come 3026 02:22:03,840 --> 02:22:01,390 a time when et will just land in public 3027 02:22:06,990 --> 02:22:03,850 not somewhere in some unknown town in 3028 02:22:11,760 --> 02:22:07,000 Texas but land and tell us who and what 3029 02:22:16,500 --> 02:22:11,770 they are well that's a good one 3030 02:22:19,979 --> 02:22:16,510 perhaps nowadays it's not though for 3031 02:22:23,420 --> 02:22:19,989 that most countries around the world are 3032 02:22:26,279 --> 02:22:23,430 releasing all their UFO FILES and and 3033 02:22:28,229 --> 02:22:26,289 not making a big deal of it anymore the 3034 02:22:32,729 --> 02:22:28,239 fest I mean it's been talked about for 3035 02:22:36,300 --> 02:22:32,739 so long most people have accepted it 3036 02:22:39,479 --> 02:22:36,310 it's commonplace anyway whether they 3037 02:22:42,540 --> 02:22:39,489 actually are they're interested in 3038 02:22:46,529 --> 02:22:42,550 coming back and in making a big 3039 02:22:49,529 --> 02:22:46,539 appearance or not remains to be seen I 3040 02:22:52,500 --> 02:22:49,539 don't know what would you think it was 3041 02:22:55,279 --> 02:22:52,510 found out that there was no UFO mystery 3042 02:22:57,569 --> 02:22:55,289 at all it was all well either 3043 02:23:02,189 --> 02:22:57,579 misidentified conventional objects or 3044 02:23:04,270 --> 02:23:02,199 possibly or just possibly secret weapons 3045 02:23:06,520 --> 02:23:04,280 of some sort from time to time 3046 02:23:08,230 --> 02:23:06,530 that's another subject but there were 3047 02:23:11,620 --> 02:23:08,240 certainly reports that loved the early 3048 02:23:18,030 --> 02:23:11,630 UFOs may have been secret weapons of one 3049 02:23:22,120 --> 02:23:18,040 sort or another yeah secret weapons I 3050 02:23:24,310 --> 02:23:22,130 don't know I'm sure that a lot of the 3051 02:23:26,320 --> 02:23:24,320 secret weapons have come along I have 3052 02:23:31,630 --> 02:23:26,330 came from UFOs technology 3053 02:23:35,380 --> 02:23:31,640 I don't know whether they're how do they 3054 02:23:37,120 --> 02:23:35,390 come from UFO technology again because 3055 02:23:38,950 --> 02:23:37,130 they're secret weapons doesn't mean that 3056 02:23:40,660 --> 02:23:38,960 we got that technology from 3057 02:23:43,450 --> 02:23:40,670 extraterrestrials you have to credit our 3058 02:23:45,640 --> 02:23:43,460 some scientists sure they our own 3059 02:23:48,700 --> 02:23:45,650 scientists are smart enough to come up 3060 02:23:52,030 --> 02:23:48,710 with new things every so often why do we 3061 02:23:54,580 --> 02:23:52,040 have to depend on ET right oh yeah of 3062 02:23:56,830 --> 02:23:54,590 course I mean some reverse engineering 3063 02:24:00,400 --> 02:23:56,840 has led to discoveries but our 3064 02:24:02,530 --> 02:24:00,410 scientists are brilliant they come look 3065 02:24:05,230 --> 02:24:02,540 at Tesla and some of the work that he 3066 02:24:09,640 --> 02:24:05,240 did absolutely becoming 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search for sunny Bay 3165 02:28:14,240 --> 02:28:10,620 you have been lied to generation after 3166 02:28:30,140 --> 02:28:14,250 generation time after time after time 3167 02:28:30,150 --> 02:28:34,610 [Music] 3168 02:28:48,090 --> 02:28:45,870 calm okay this is Marie D Jones the 3169 02:28:51,900 --> 02:28:48,100 author of this book is from the future 3170 02:29:01,360 --> 02:28:51,910 and you are listening to the podcast the 3171 02:29:05,880 --> 02:29:04,210 now not everybody has a happy life and 3172 02:29:09,820 --> 02:29:05,890 sometimes they get involved in ventures 3173 02:29:12,370 --> 02:29:09,830 that maybe they didn't expect to happen 3174 02:29:13,690 --> 02:29:12,380 the way they did and some of you know if 3175 02:29:15,490 --> 02:29:13,700 you've looked online because 3176 02:29:19,750 --> 02:29:15,500 everything's online that carry Trent 3177 02:29:23,469 --> 02:29:19,760 Haggard got himself into a legal issue 3178 02:29:25,719 --> 02:29:23,479 and he you made Forbes magazine and you 3179 02:29:29,230 --> 02:29:25,729 became famous for this what are we 3180 02:29:32,740 --> 02:29:29,240 talking about well my passion for the 3181 02:29:36,429 --> 02:29:32,750 universal horror classic led me up a 3182 02:29:40,469 --> 02:29:36,439 dark path a lifetime ago I got involved 3183 02:29:43,630 --> 02:29:40,479 with a outfit in California who made 3184 02:29:46,420 --> 02:29:43,640 museum quality forgeries of movie 3185 02:29:51,070 --> 02:29:46,430 posters and what everything went to hell 3186 02:29:53,500 --> 02:29:51,080 I got charged and labeled the mastermind 3187 02:29:54,760 --> 02:29:53,510 of the greatest movie poster scandal in 3188 02:29:56,889 --> 02:29:54,770 American history 3189 02:29:58,750 --> 02:29:56,899 Forbes magazine dinner article I was in 3190 02:30:01,230 --> 02:29:58,760 the New York Times I was in the LA to 3191 02:30:04,120 --> 02:30:01,240 being I was in the Dallas Morning News 3192 02:30:07,060 --> 02:30:04,130 but I had a very comfortable life at 3193 02:30:09,310 --> 02:30:07,070 that time and I lost everything I lost 3194 02:30:11,590 --> 02:30:09,320 my houses I lost my cars I lost 3195 02:30:14,620 --> 02:30:11,600 everything because of that so if 3196 02:30:15,670 --> 02:30:14,630 anybody's ever paid for making an 3197 02:30:17,950 --> 02:30:15,680 indiscretion 3198 02:30:20,889 --> 02:30:17,960 I paid through the nose that was a 3199 02:30:25,570 --> 02:30:20,899 lifetime ago I'm in western Pennsylvania 3200 02:30:29,440 --> 02:30:25,580 now regrouping my life and doing my 3201 02:30:32,020 --> 02:30:29,450 thing on antique cars and trying to live 3202 02:30:34,360 --> 02:30:32,030 the rest of my life in the-- it's not 3203 02:30:36,610 --> 02:30:34,370 something that i want i certainly not 3204 02:30:38,349 --> 02:30:36,620 something I'm ashamed of yeah and then 3205 02:30:41,560 --> 02:30:38,359 the same time it's not something that 3206 02:30:43,960 --> 02:30:41,570 I'm very proud of but it is a part of my 3207 02:30:47,020 --> 02:30:43,970 history and I don't hide it I will tell 3208 02:30:50,080 --> 02:30:47,030 you this I'm very irritated because I've 3209 02:30:53,590 --> 02:30:50,090 done about 13 14 great radio shows and 3210 02:30:55,840 --> 02:30:53,600 I've got some speaking events lined up 3211 02:30:58,690 --> 02:30:55,850 and I've got some book signings lined up 3212 02:31:02,469 --> 02:30:58,700 but every now and then somebody comes 3213 02:31:06,910 --> 02:31:02,479 back at me like I'm Jack the Ripper I 3214 02:31:11,260 --> 02:31:06,920 was set up to do a nice presentation on 3215 02:31:15,070 --> 02:31:11,270 UFOs in the Old West at the Devils Tower 3216 02:31:16,870 --> 02:31:15,080 Wyoming meet later this year 3217 02:31:18,580 --> 02:31:16,880 they were excited to have me and then 3218 02:31:21,100 --> 02:31:18,590 they call me back and they said wait a 3219 02:31:23,170 --> 02:31:21,110 minute you're a felon you were involved 3220 02:31:25,930 --> 02:31:23,180 in all this movie poster stuff we don't 3221 02:31:27,610 --> 02:31:25,940 want you here and so I was like okay 3222 02:31:31,420 --> 02:31:27,620 well you know what that's perfectly fine 3223 02:31:33,730 --> 02:31:31,430 30 now and then you get a little sure 3224 02:31:36,250 --> 02:31:33,740 and I'm remembered by the way that we 3225 02:31:37,780 --> 02:31:36,260 have some famous convicted felons like 3226 02:31:39,790 --> 02:31:37,790 Robert Downey jr. one of the 3227 02:31:42,220 --> 02:31:39,800 highest-paid actors in the world he 3228 02:31:45,340 --> 02:31:42,230 spent some time in jail for drugs we 3229 02:31:47,740 --> 02:31:45,350 have also we have g gordon liddy the 3230 02:31:49,690 --> 02:31:47,750 watergate figure he's a convicted felon 3231 02:31:51,730 --> 02:31:49,700 he became a famous talk show host and 3232 02:31:56,890 --> 02:31:51,740 commercial spokesman so there is life 3233 02:31:59,590 --> 02:31:56,900 after prison yeah do white-collar 3234 02:32:02,530 --> 02:31:59,600 criminals really get lush elaborate 3235 02:32:06,060 --> 02:32:02,540 surroundings I was employed it was funny 3236 02:32:11,140 --> 02:32:06,070 I was employed with doctors lawyers 3237 02:32:14,200 --> 02:32:11,150 surgeons from UCLA I was I was in a 3238 02:32:16,720 --> 02:32:14,210 place they called cupcake in Morgantown 3239 02:32:18,700 --> 02:32:16,730 West Virginia and which is where I met 3240 02:32:20,470 --> 02:32:18,710 my co-author which is one of the 3241 02:32:22,780 --> 02:32:20,480 greatest people I ever met and some of 3242 02:32:24,490 --> 02:32:22,790 the greatest people I ever met yeah this 3243 02:32:27,190 --> 02:32:24,500 is part of my hands it's part of my 3244 02:32:28,660 --> 02:32:27,200 history it creeps up on me every once in 3245 02:32:31,511 --> 02:32:28,670 a while and somebody looks at me 3246 02:32:34,030 --> 02:32:31,521 crossways but that's okay because they 3247 02:32:36,790 --> 02:32:34,040 don't understand they just passed a 3248 02:32:40,390 --> 02:32:36,800 little act in Pennsylvania here just 3249 02:32:43,570 --> 02:32:40,400 this week one of every three people in 3250 02:32:45,430 --> 02:32:43,580 Pennsylvania have a background have a 3251 02:32:48,460 --> 02:32:45,440 and I'm not gonna say criminal 3252 02:32:50,740 --> 02:32:48,470 background but a conviction background 3253 02:32:53,080 --> 02:32:50,750 where would that be felony misdemeanor 3254 02:32:56,140 --> 02:32:53,090 or whatever so they're actually passed 3255 02:32:58,990 --> 02:32:56,150 nothing to do away with those after so 3256 02:33:01,690 --> 02:32:59,000 long to clear everybody's record but 3257 02:33:04,030 --> 02:33:01,700 yeah so that's the part of my past I'm 3258 02:33:05,890 --> 02:33:04,040 not ashamed of it and I am moving 3259 02:33:08,710 --> 02:33:05,900 forward and I was lucky enough to 3260 02:33:12,070 --> 02:33:08,720 publish my novel and I'm lucky enough to 3261 02:33:14,710 --> 02:33:12,080 find a producer that believes in me and 3262 02:33:16,660 --> 02:33:14,720 that's been my television show personal 3263 02:33:18,850 --> 02:33:16,670 suggestion don't listen to me because I 3264 02:33:22,960 --> 02:33:18,860 know nothing about this write a book 3265 02:33:24,610 --> 02:33:22,970 about the scandal yeah I'm serious I'm 3266 02:33:26,920 --> 02:33:24,620 very serious because people like to read 3267 02:33:28,750 --> 02:33:26,930 about that because it's a story where 3268 02:33:30,460 --> 02:33:28,760 it's redemption 3269 02:33:34,689 --> 02:33:30,470 you're saying look I did this crazy 3270 02:33:37,380 --> 02:33:34,699 stuff and I became infamous and now it's 3271 02:33:40,510 --> 02:33:37,390 Redemption they make movies about that 3272 02:33:42,609 --> 02:33:40,520 okay oh yeah they make movies about that 3273 02:33:44,950 --> 02:33:42,619 you could be your life story could be in 3274 02:33:47,710 --> 02:33:44,960 a movie you go on all the talk shows you 3275 02:33:50,380 --> 02:33:47,720 can sell your novel I'm serious about 3276 02:33:53,590 --> 02:33:50,390 this I'm not joking I think that sound 3277 02:33:56,170 --> 02:33:53,600 you can do four hundred four hundred and 3278 02:33:58,210 --> 02:33:56,180 seventy one page autobiography the title 3279 02:34:03,099 --> 02:33:58,220 it is called maker of monsters 3280 02:34:05,559 --> 02:34:03,109 I am infamous and an infamous in a way 3281 02:34:09,460 --> 02:34:05,569 that nobody else in the world is for 3282 02:34:11,920 --> 02:34:09,470 what I did and I will sensationalize on 3283 02:34:15,130 --> 02:34:11,930 it one of these days but now is not 3284 02:34:17,769 --> 02:34:15,140 quite the time again I want to move a 3285 02:34:26,139 --> 02:34:17,779 little bit forward with my life before I 3286 02:34:28,210 --> 02:34:26,149 get in all that but trust me I've had 3287 02:34:32,200 --> 02:34:28,220 people advising me to do the same thing 3288 02:34:34,260 --> 02:34:32,210 oh yeah like Leonardo DiCaprio he did a 3289 02:34:37,090 --> 02:34:34,270 whole movie about a guy who was 3290 02:34:38,889 --> 02:34:37,100 essentially making money like printing 3291 02:34:40,779 --> 02:34:38,899 presses catch me if you can I think was 3292 02:34:45,790 --> 02:34:40,789 the name of it pretty good movie yeah 3293 02:34:49,179 --> 02:34:45,800 yeah a forger yeah well we made we made 3294 02:34:51,370 --> 02:34:49,189 museum quality forgeries that went to 3295 02:34:53,410 --> 02:34:51,380 the major auction houses and passed with 3296 02:34:55,029 --> 02:34:53,420 flying colors but what people don't 3297 02:34:56,739 --> 02:34:55,039 understand is the major auction houses 3298 02:34:59,229 --> 02:34:56,749 they were already selling faked that 3299 02:35:01,779 --> 02:34:59,239 they knew were faked Heritage galleries 3300 02:35:03,910 --> 02:35:01,789 in Texas we had been selling fakes for 3301 02:35:06,340 --> 02:35:03,920 years they knew were fakes we were only 3302 02:35:09,099 --> 02:35:06,350 making fakes that were so much better 3303 02:35:11,229 --> 02:35:09,109 than the fake that nobody could tell the 3304 02:35:14,500 --> 02:35:11,239 difference and I was the one that 3305 02:35:16,479 --> 02:35:14,510 spearheaded the project if I remember 3306 02:35:18,460 --> 02:35:16,489 correctly in the movie the character 3307 02:35:21,460 --> 02:35:18,470 ended up getting a job I think with the 3308 02:35:27,550 --> 02:35:21,470 FBI afterwards just to to help identify 3309 02:35:30,189 --> 02:35:27,560 stuff like that so oh yeah I hate yeah I 3310 02:35:33,099 --> 02:35:30,199 think the FBI they treated me terribly 3311 02:35:35,410 --> 02:35:33,109 and cost me everything I had so I have 3312 02:35:38,019 --> 02:35:35,420 no I have no goodness for the FBI 3313 02:35:40,630 --> 02:35:38,029 whatsoever but I imagine you could pick 3314 02:35:41,630 --> 02:35:40,640 out a fake movie poster if you were ever 3315 02:35:43,849 --> 02:35:41,640 at an auction 3316 02:35:45,439 --> 02:35:43,859 you know my actually self or you know it 3317 02:35:46,490 --> 02:35:45,449 might ask yourself for some more money 3318 02:35:49,130 --> 02:35:46,500 we're running out of time 3319 02:35:51,530 --> 02:35:49,140 also there was a TV show about a 3320 02:35:55,120 --> 02:35:51,540 convicted art forger who works with the 3321 02:35:59,719 --> 02:35:55,130 FBI called white collar ever hear of it 3322 02:36:01,790 --> 02:35:59,729 no but I'm sure there are people who 3323 02:36:03,800 --> 02:36:01,800 actually do that I may have seen an 3324 02:36:05,330 --> 02:36:03,810 episode of that if I read if it was what 3325 02:36:07,130 --> 02:36:05,340 I recall it was a pretty good show just 3326 02:36:09,320 --> 02:36:07,140 caught some of it one it's pretty good 3327 02:36:11,990 --> 02:36:09,330 but didn't follow it yeah but what 3328 02:36:14,990 --> 02:36:12,000 happened here is that he teams up with 3329 02:36:16,610 --> 02:36:15,000 an FBI agent in New York and went on for 3330 02:36:18,800 --> 02:36:16,620 five or six years I thought was a lot of 3331 02:36:21,050 --> 02:36:18,810 fun interesting adventure certainly 3332 02:36:23,769 --> 02:36:21,060 something worth looking at anyway we're 3333 02:36:27,080 --> 02:36:23,779 about out of time and we look forward to 3334 02:36:29,809 --> 02:36:27,090 your further news of your travels Kerry 3335 02:36:32,389 --> 02:36:29,819 Trent Hagrid do you have a website that 3336 02:36:36,080 --> 02:36:32,399 maybe our listeners can look into our 3337 02:36:39,559 --> 02:36:36,090 web site is going to be wheels of the 3338 02:36:42,130 --> 02:36:39,569 past com but it's not up and running yet 3339 02:36:45,469 --> 02:36:42,140 anybody that would like to contact me 3340 02:36:49,280 --> 02:36:45,479 it's wheels of the past productions at 3341 02:36:52,010 --> 02:36:49,290 gmail.com sounds good to me we haven't 3342 02:36:52,820 --> 02:36:52,020 mentioned your site as often as we 3343 02:36:55,729 --> 02:36:52,830 should Randall 3344 02:36:59,660 --> 02:36:55,739 tell us about your UFO organization 3345 02:37:03,200 --> 02:36:59,670 that's ufology society international USI 3346 02:37:05,120 --> 02:37:03,210 UFO pages comm I'm in the middle of 3347 02:37:07,639 --> 02:37:05,130 rebuilding the site so it works better 3348 02:37:10,460 --> 02:37:07,649 on portable devices like iPads and such 3349 02:37:12,649 --> 02:37:10,470 that should be eppela I'd say probably 3350 02:37:14,360 --> 02:37:12,659 within the next six weeks or so we've 3351 02:37:16,700 --> 02:37:14,370 got about 2,000 members around the world 3352 02:37:19,340 --> 02:37:16,710 all interested in UFOs free membership 3353 02:37:21,920 --> 02:37:19,350 always for life works for me you can 3354 02:37:25,250 --> 02:37:21,930 find us on Twitter look for the power 3355 02:37:28,460 --> 02:37:25,260 cast look for the to power cast fan 3356 02:37:31,219 --> 02:37:28,470 clubs on Facebook and don't forget the 3357 02:37:33,860 --> 02:37:31,229 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